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Topic: The Global Warming Scam
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Actually Omni it is Christians who should be most concerned about the planet. Humans have been given the job of caring for the created world until God brings about re-creation according to Christian theology. The problem with global warming it is difficult to know who to believe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkzNmWlCig8&feature=playe...
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 142 of 177 (598898)
01-03-2011 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 141 by jar
01-03-2011 3:44 PM
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
jar writes: The issue is "If Global Warming is happening, how do we prepare to ameliorate the negative effects?" That is a really good point. The problem though, is how can we even be sure that global warming is happening. We can look back and see what happened but according to the individual on that link, (a guy it seems with the right credentials), global warming has peaked and we are going in the opposite direction.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 147 of 177 (598990)
01-04-2011 3:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 146 by Taz
01-04-2011 2:14 PM
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Hi Taz There doesn't seem too much question that question global warming has been occurring but the question is why. Historically world temperatures have vacillated up and down since the dawn of time. Are CO2 emissions having an impact and if so how much of one? I don't know but there are those who make a very good income, such as Al Gore, from the promotion of global warming and there are those who will lose their job from it. I don't know why you want to scapegoat Christians on this. As a Christian one of things I believe that we are to do is care for the planet, as well as its inhabitants.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 150 of 177 (599012)
01-04-2011 5:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 149 by jar
01-04-2011 4:35 PM
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
jar writes: The question of why is of historical interest but it is not an important question to answer. It is an important question to answer. If it is considered to be from CO2 emmisions there will a great many people who will lose their jobs. If it is not CO2 emmisions and we focus on that then possibly we are missing the real reason and not doing something about that.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 152 of 177 (599018)
01-04-2011 5:27 PM
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Reply to: Message 148 by Taz
01-04-2011 4:06 PM
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Taz writes: And there is no one denying the fact that temperature fluctuates up and down. What's up now is that the spike in world average temperatures fit perfectly with the spike in co2 emissions in the last century. Here is a question you can ask yourself. Would you say that increase in co2 concentration in the atmosphere traps more heat, traps the same amount of heat, or traps less heat in the atmosphere? To be honest Taz I'm here to learn. The only metrerology I have studied was aviation related and I am not even qualified to hazard a guess as to the answer to that question.
Taz writes: Or here is something to consider. So what if it turns out to be that the real cause for global warming ain't co2 emissions? Would you rather do something and find out later it was unnecessary or would you rather not do anything and find out later it was necessary? As I said to jar, combatting CO2 emmisions will cost people their livelihood, and I'd hate to see that done if it isn't of any use. Also, as I pointed out to jar if it isn't CO2 emmisions it is something else, and maybe we will miss out on what we might have been able to do with whatever else is causing the problem.
Taz writes: As a christian, if you really care you should be out there telling your fellow christians to stop trying to impede progress on environmental and human rights issues. Frankly I don't know Christians who are not concerned about the environment. I think you've been hanging out with the wrong group of Christians or you've been paying to much attention to the strawman version of Christianity that is so often under attack.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Al Gore? Really?
Theodoric writes: Care to show how Mr. Gore is doing this? I don't know how much he gets for public speaking but "An Inconvenient Truth" cost a million to make and grossed over 49 million. This of course does not mean that he's wrong. Frankly that's my problem - I don't know. That in itself is a problem, but I don't think that those who are really in a position to do something know either, and in the end it becomes about politicians trying to figure out position will garner the most votes. I apologise in advance for my cynicism. Edited by GDR, : punctuation
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 158 of 177 (599037)
01-04-2011 6:57 PM
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Reply to: Message 155 by frako
01-04-2011 5:55 PM
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Re: Al Gore? Really?
frako writes: And after you find out for yourself if there is global warming going on what would not stopping it mean for mankind. You can google the data on that too. It isn't a question of if it's going on or not. The question is why it's going on and there are experts on all sides on that.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Al Gore? Really?
This is from the NY Times. Don't get me wrong, this isn't to say he is wrong but Al Gore does have a vested interest. Gore’s Dual Role: Advocate and Investor - The New York Times
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Message 160 of 177 (599042)
01-04-2011 7:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 157 by Taq
01-04-2011 6:10 PM
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Taq writes: How many grain farmers in Australia have already lost their jobs due to climate change? A lot. How many businesses in southern Florida will go away when the polar ice caps melt? Quite a few, being underwater and all. But, if cutting human CO2 emissions doesn't have any effect then none of that will change but many others besides would be affected unnecessarily.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Al Gore? Really?
Theodoric writes: So you are sticking with your implication that Al Gore is some how fanning the flames for personal gain? Not really. There is no one involved in this that doesn't have a personal axe to gring even if it just the threat of having to pay higher taxes. I don't know what drives Gore personally but like everyone else he does have a personal interest.
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GDR
Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: 05-22-2005 Member Rating: 2.1
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Re: Evangelical earth killers playing defense
Theodorice writes: Here is where climate change deniers make their pivotal mistake. They rely on meteorology rather than climatology. Global climate change is a climatological issue not a meteorological one. Agreed. I only mentioned meteorology to point out that I am not qualified to argue the case one way or the other.
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