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Straightshot
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From: Mitchell SD USA
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Message 94 of 274 (767064)
08-25-2015 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by jar
06-28-2015 2:46 PM


Jar

I like your opening post related to Revelation 13

I am a prophecy teacher with about 40+ years in the study and also post on a number of Internet social media boards

Hope I can contribute to this forum regarding the Lord's more sure word of prophecy [2 Peter 1:16-21]

I believe that this alone proves out the authenticity of His Word and who He is


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Message 96 of 274 (767136)
08-26-2015 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Thugpreacha
08-25-2015 10:33 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
Phat

Thanks for the welcome

I will start with an overview and if you have further questions I will answer

Satan is the one who is the perpetrator of his beast in the little horn of Daniel's visions

Satan is the "god" of this present world, but the focus of the Bible prophets is primarily upon Israel surrounded by the nation's virulent enemies in the Middle East

So Satan's nesting in the region has been long and directed toward the controversy between Issac and Ishmael which the Lord intentionally set up long long ago .... this same controversy is still on going today between Israel and most of the populations in the region are primarily Muslim

Satan hates the Lord .... and he hates Israel, so he has devised a strategy to usurp the Lord and to destroy His nation at the end of this present age [Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:41; Micah 5:5-6]

Here is the human little horn, a king of the northern Middle East who will arise as an Islamic Caliph in the region of Syria/Iraq today [same as the ancient Seleucid Empire north of Israel]

This king will arise during the 70th week decreed for Israel still pending [same as the coming tribulation] .... in the same region that was the core of the earlier ancient Assyrian Empire [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12;7; Micah 5:5-6]

The first beast of Revelation is not human, but a fallen angel who does Satan's bidding in the Middle East and rules over 7 human Middle Eastern kingdoms and related king positions there [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

5 of these kingdoms are now historical with the 5th ending just before the first century, this kingdom [head of the beast] fell and Abaddon/Appolyon was sent to the abyss .... still there as we speak

He will soon be released to rule over the Middle East again for a short time during the coming tribulation period .... a smaller kingdom at first [the 6th], and then the next [7th] divided/expanded kingdom with 10 other human kings, the divided kingdom of iron and clay [Daniel 2:33; 2:40-43]

Abaddon/Appolyon once "was" ruling over Middle Eastern kingdoms ..... and then was "not".... but he is coming to rule there again .... and yet "is"

This rebel angel of Satan's choice will fully possess and become the human little horn of Daniel's visions at the time of the end .... a first experience for humanity to be exposed by this strange combination [2 Thessalonians 2:1-12]

Here is a truth that one should not miss in the study of Satan's beast

The 70 weeks of years decreed for Israel is a unique time lapse that has a specific beginning, a breach, and a finishing

The full length of the period is for 70 heptads [490 360 day prophetic years] of which 483 years transpired at the Lord's cutting off in the first century

The 7 remaining years have never yet come to pass

This present and current period of the Lord's dispensation of grace is still ongoing and will continue until this [Romans 11:25] .... then the Lord will intervene and begin and consummate the events of the 70th week to come

So the beast once "was" ruling, then "was not" ruling .... and he will come out of the abyss to rule again ["yet is] during the the period of the 70 week decreed for the returned remnant part of Israel in the Middle East today

His 5th "head"[kingdom] was wounded, and his 6th will be healed at the beginning of the 70th week decreed .... then he will expand the 6th into the 7th

... and when he has fully possessed the human little horn, he will become the 8th king himself ruling over his 7th and final kingdom

Israel has been returned to the land to experience these things, however, the Lord has not revealed the dating of His intent to bring the beginning of 70th week decreed .... the time of Jacob's trouble [Jeremiah 30]

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Straightshot
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Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 99 of 274 (767234)
08-27-2015 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Faith
08-26-2015 12:51 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
Faith

Briefly ....

I will give you a general overall answer in this reply .... I see that you have another posting and questions which I will address shortly, and at the same time give more details

The prophets are all focused primarily upon Israel and the Middle East, past and future .... important to know this when rendering their visions .... same goes for Revelation's unfolding .... this view given by the Lord Himself is the capstone of His Bible prophets .... all are totally congruent

I do know and understand the reformers approach to the interpretation of Bible prophecy and also the later re-constructionist views of the 1800s

I believe that both gave it their best shot, but simply did not understand the prophecies very well, did not have the hindsight of world events that we have today, and were biased toward placing the ancient Roman Empire and related Pope/RCC connection .... I understand why this was done, but I believe their interpretations were well off course

All of the identifiers contained in the prophetic visions reveal a very different picture

For example, the era of the ancient Roman rule and going forward up to this very day is not recorded anywhere in the scope of the visions

At the same time there is a definite exegetical framework that does not include the past 2000 years still ongoing

The visions are all divided into two parts .... past fulfilled, and future still pending

This divide has to do with Israel and a time lapsing for the nation that can be exactly calculated from a known beginning point up to the Lord's first advent, rejection by Israel, and His cutting off

Then there is a breach in the lapsing still ongoing as we speak which will begin with the balance of the unfulfilled portion beginning with His next intervention .... The Day of the Lord

He has not revealed this beginning dating which is not known by humans

The 70 weeks of years decreed for His nation of Israel gives this exegetical picture [Daniel 9:24-27]

It is during the breach that Israel has been out of the land of Israel and scattered all over the earth, until 1948 just after WWII

All of the prophets see Israel in the land again for the balance of the scope of their views to be fulfilled .... however, we are not there yet and all is still pending at this time

The Lord has a purpose for bring this setting into focus for His coming day .... Israel must be in the land and surrounded by the nation's enemies who are the post flood and mixed populations of the Middle East .... these are all predominantly the adherents of Islam today

His purpose with Israel will be to pressure them in the land for turning to Him as their Messiah and King .... they are still in blindness to this very day

At the same time He is going to settle the controversy between Israel [Issac, Jacob] and Ishmael [Mohammed's concoction of the religion of Islam] .... this standoff was set long long ago by the Lord and is still ongoing today

I will address your next posting with additional understanding shortly .... hold on

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Straightshot
Member (Idle past 1066 days)
Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 100 of 274 (767236)
08-27-2015 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Straightshot
08-27-2015 8:57 AM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
Faith

There are a few today who do understand the Middle East focus rather than a Euro-centered setting related to the Pope and the RCC .... some have part of the picture rendered correctly, However, most of the professing church today is very apostate in many different ways and in the case of the subject of Bible prophecy this is rarely a part of teaching of the various dogmas and if done an be abused by false teachers who have proprietary ambitions .... this is not uncommon and has been a common practice for years

I myself have no organized religious affiliation and never have

It is the Lord's prophetic scriptures that drew me to the Bible and convinced me that the Bible is what it claims to be .... the very Word of the Lord of creation

I am a skeptic and a realist and need proof for understanding and acceptance for most anything .... I have it .... no doubt .... the Bible is His Word

You have some very good questions which I will address going forward on this forum which will take some time so bear with me

I teach only on the Internet today because of the reaching potential thousands every day which I could never do in a limited community setting

Hang on if you want and I will continue to post on this forum with a focus upon the prophetic scriptures ..... this is all that I do .... my witness to the authenticity of the Lord's incredible and totally believable more sure word of prophecy [2 Peter 1:16-21]

I do see that this forum seems to reflect a scant and somewhat dated interest in the field that I teach .... looks like the interest in Bible may be tailing off here, and this is a trend today across the Internet social media

I will stay as long as there is an interest, but may not be able to spend any length of time

Having said this, I will now address your questions as I get an idea where you ae coming from and to convey my views as best as I can

There is much to digest from the Bible prophets and it seems at fires to be an overwhelming task, but once one spends the time it is really not that complex, bu one has to start the process in the correct direction and then build on the rest

Actually anyone can eventually get it .... the Lord is not a God of confusion and His prophetic scriptures are in the Bible for a reason

They give one reassurance of their faith and are an uncompromising and powerful witness

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Straightshot
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Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 101 of 274 (767238)
08-27-2015 10:24 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Straightshot
08-27-2015 9:59 AM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
Continuing ................

"Where do you get the idea the first beast isn't human? "Beasts" in scripture refer to nations. Human nations. Satan is certainly behind it all but he can't be a beast as I understand that term."

The term beast is used describing a human kingdom as an "animal" [Daniel 2, 7, Revelation 13]

The same term is used to describe the Lord's loyal angelic realm [Daniel 12:1; Revelation 5:6; 12:7]

.... and also satanic principalities

Satan himself is an angel .... the leading defector who has set out to usurp the Lord and rule over the Lord's creation [Genesis 3; Isaiah 14; Ezekiel 28; Revelation 12:3-4; 12:7-9; 12:12]

Abaddon/Apollyon is not a kingdom, but a fallen angelic prince who is the king of the abyss angels

This may be redundant to you and I really do not know how much study you have had, so you need to tell me .... I just need to know where to start on any subjects that you are inquiring about

I generally teach from the top down and then cover the supporting details

First the overview [big picture] .... and then substantiating details

Let me know what works best for you .... I can start with the deatils

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Straightshot
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Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 104 of 274 (767295)
08-27-2015 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Faith
08-27-2015 4:05 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"I believe that is untrue. But if you can make the case - another thread is the place to do it."

Hi there Paulk

Believe what you want ..... that is what I do

.... and I think this thread is an ideal place to do it

So I will continue, and you should check in here and there

For some reason this forum seems to be diminishing, so I may not be here for the long term .... there are many other places to teach the Lord's more sure word of prophecy on the Internet and I currently have an extensive reach

In any event, make certain that you are ready .... the days are numbered [Matthew 25:1-13]


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Straightshot
Member (Idle past 1066 days)
Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 105 of 274 (767298)
08-27-2015 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Straightshot
08-27-2015 10:14 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
Faith

You are far to presumptuous and making early assumptions

Bible prophecy is a subject that requires much discussion about many things which I intend to do

In your post above you seem to be questioning the relationship between Israel and the "church", and about whether the ancient Roman Empire and related is described in the visions of the prophets

These are both subjects of great controversy and require much discussion

Briefly .....

Israel and the "church" are related only in matters of the Lord's salvation in
which there is no regard for national identity .... the same for both "Jew" and Gentile

However, there is a vast difference between the Lord's nation of Israel and the nations of the Gentiles

The Lord makes this quite clear .... here are a few verses [Isaiah 11; Jeremiah 30; 31:31-37; Ezekiel 36; Micah 5:7-8; Zechariah 12; 14; Romans 11]

And the ancient Roman Empire is not specifically identified in any of the visions of the Bile prophets .... some have speculated Rome into the visions and the NT does record Rome as a matter of documented history, but not one prophet has Ancient Rome in view in their visions

.... and 70 AD was not the time of the end still pending as most of the professing "church" today .... the Roman incursions at the time are not seen in any prophets record and the event falls into the breach of the last 2000 years unrecorded by the prophets

Only Israel and the surrounding populations of the Middle East are recorded

For example, here are the 7 specific middle Eastern Gentile kingdoms of Satan's beast of Revelation recorded in the prophets

The early land of Magog and his brothers Meshek and Tubal

The Assyrian Empire

The neo-Babylonian Empire

The Medo-Persian Empire

The major divide of the Empire of the Seleucid kings north of Israel [the larger part of Alexander's Asian holdings] [Syria/Iraq today]

The above are of the 5 fallen Middle Eastern kingdoms and related human king "positions"[Revelation 17:8-11]

.....then, after a very long time lapse will come the kingdom of the little horn [Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-25; 11:36-45; 12:7]

The unnamed outgrowth of the 5th will be the smaller kingdom of the little human little horn of Daniel's visions in the same region at the time of the end which he will expand into the divided kingdom of iron and clay and rule with 10 other kings [Daniel 2:40-43; 7:7-25; Revelation 13:1-4; 17:12-18]

The last king of the north was Antiochus IV [Daniel 11:21-35]

The next will be the little horn at the end of this present age [Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7]

Rome is not recorded as one of the 7 kingdom's of Abaddon's rule

The kingdoms of the north and south recorded in Daniel 11:1-35 were the Seleucid kingdom of the north of Israel, and the Ptolemaic kingdom of the south of Israel [Egypt]

Both remained divided rivals before the first century .... neither conquering the other

Note that at the time of the end still pending these will again be rivals and the king of the north [the little horn ruling Syria/Iraq] will conquer the king of the south and add add to his kingdom [Daniel 11:40; 11:42]

The ancient Roman Empire was not and will not a part of this rivalry between the north and the south

Rome did not begin as two rival kingdoms, one north and south of Israel and is not represented by the two legs of Iron in the image of Daniel 2 .... the northern leg and southern leg represent the two rivals above of the past, and will be the same at the time of the end still pending

This same relationship is setting up as we speak, the little horn will rule the north [the coming Muslim Caliph], and the king of the south will be the ruler of Egypt

The Ancient Roman Empire and subsequent Empires [there have been several different ones over the last 2000 years] up until the present factional dividing of the Muslim Middle East are all in the breach between the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel ...... and the beginning of the 70th till pending

Anything between is simply not found in the visions of the prophets

Here is what has happened:

People over the past 2000 years jumped the gun by inserting their ideas into the breach, and then forming the proprietary dogmas of their organizational "church" movements .... all replacement theologies refusing to recognize the Lord's future intent regarding His national people of Israel

In other words, a hijacking of Israel's position and appropriating the same for themselves

More things to come .... hold on

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Straightshot
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Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 108 of 274 (767318)
08-28-2015 9:53 AM
Reply to: Message 107 by Faith
08-28-2015 4:42 AM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"You do realise that your argument with Faith is entirely different from trying to convince a skeptic ? You'll both put the belief that prophecy cannot fail ahead of the Bible, just as you put your belief that the bible claims to be the literal word of God ahead of the fact that not one book of the Bible actually makes that claim for itself,
Even in your replies to Faith I can see obvious problems that a skeptic familiar with the Bible would know and that Faith will not discuss. For instance the fact that the "little horn" of Daniel 8 is quite clearly Antiochus IV"

First of all I do not argue about the Lord's Word .... I simply discuss the same with others and if the dialogue turns into argument I will leave it

Bantering over interpretive position serves no good purpose and actually makes a mockery out of the Lord's Word in front of those who need to seek and find His salvation

What I will do is teach the prophetic scriptures .... biblical truth is built upon the foundation of the Lord's prophets, His apostles, and His own revelations .... these things I do not have to argue over [Ephesians 2:18-22; 2 Peter 1:16-21] .... the same are the only sources of truth

And I have to tell you that the little horn Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:7 was not Antiochus IV .... the exact profile of this king of the Seleucid Empire is here [Daniel 11:21-35] .... so accurate that the skeptic claims it must have been written after the fact and not in advance

The arising of the little horn is still pending as we speak today .... the next northern king of the same region [Syria/Iraq]

Antiochus IV did not puck up 3 other Middle Eastern kings, replace them, and rule with the finished set of 10 [Daniel 7:7-8; Revelation 17:12-14; 18:16-18]

He did not rule with 10 other kings who will destroy the "great city" of MBG

He did not succeed in conquering Egypt

He did not go forth and sweep away [destroy] many in the far east and far north from outside of his northern kingdom [Daniel 11:44]

He did not die in Israel [Daniel 11:45] .... Antiochus died while fighting a war in Persia from a deadly disease [Iran today]

He did not make war against Jesus and loose at the battle Armageddon [Ezekiel 38; 39; Daniel 11:45; Joel 2:10; 3:9-21; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12; 14; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

All of this the coming little horn will do just as the prophets tell

You may not place any value in these things and or think that all are of the past, and not future events that will take place on the earth consummating in the visible appearing of the Great God and Savior Jesus Christ for which all true believers are looking for with great anticipation

.... my comment would be that you are missing much, but people do .... what people do

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Straightshot
Member (Idle past 1066 days)
Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 109 of 274 (767319)
08-28-2015 10:03 AM
Reply to: Message 108 by Straightshot
08-28-2015 9:53 AM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"Continuing with my attempts to answer your posts. I think I'll just leave the Middle East prophecy on the note of general agreement with you about what is to happen in that part of the world, without getting in to details, mainly because I don't study prophecy in such detail. I read various studies of prophecy and get general ideas about it."

Nothing wrong with your position taken as I see it .... most do the same

Some of us are called to interpret and present the Lord's prophetic word which is a very significant and core part of His entire message to humans


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Straightshot
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Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 110 of 274 (767320)
08-28-2015 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 109 by Straightshot
08-28-2015 10:03 AM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"I see that PaulK points out that you and I would agree on the basics of the truth of the Bible and of Bible prophecy, so that you are not talking to a skeptic here. The questions I raise have to do with the different interpretations of prophecy by a believer. There are lots of prophecy teachers on the internet already, mostly addressing believers. You should get plenty of skeptics here though if it's skeptics you'd prefer to address.

It's hard to know what the trend is at EvC at any given moment. The main debate between evolution and creation has died down more than anything else. This drives people to the faith threads and the politics threads. But even these may not be as active as they used to be. However, someone with a strong point of view could revive things on a given topic. You may yet attract the kind of arguments you prefer."

I interpret and teach the prophetic scriptures and related to skeptics and all others alike regardless of their particular religious persuasions and or their human philosophies [Romans 8; 2 Timothy 4:2; 2 Peter 1:1-21]

I will get to the significant matter of creation vs evolution soon, so you might want to look for my contribution .... the biblical account of creation is to be trusted and true .... no doubt

Which thread you would suggest that I find and use to address the issue at this time?

It would be good if this forum could continue and flourish .... a great format, well designed, and looks likes it has attracted many in the past

.... there are few left on the Internet today which is cluttered with every branding of professing Christianity imaginable .... unfortunately most are of extreme apostate origins, confusing, lukewarm, misleading, and hollow

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Straightshot
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Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
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Message 112 of 274 (767326)
08-28-2015 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by PaulK
08-28-2015 10:40 AM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"I'll give a fuller reply later. However I have a simple question. Do you agree that the Greek king of Danel 8:21 is Alexander? If not, then who do you believe it to be?"

No doubt .... by scripture and by the historical record

Alexander conquered the Middle East in about 12 years from the Mediterranean to the borders of India .... and then he died at an early age and never ruled there, neither did Athens

The indigenous populations of the Middle East remained and at the dividing of his holdings and it is the two larger rival kingdoms of the north and south of Israel that are the focus of the following balance of Daniel 11 .... the two thighs of the image recorded in Daniel 2 the same

Antiochus IV was the last Seleucid king of the northern divide [Daniel 11:21-35]

.... the northern thigh of the image of Daniel 2

Then the vision moves to the time of the end still pending and the view is of the little horn of Daniel 7; 8; 11:36-45; 12:7

All of the prophets reflect this breach in the time line in their visions between past fulfilled prophecy .... and the balance remaining

This is the same breaching between the ending of the 69th week decreed for Israel and .... the beginning of the 70th still out in front of us

Also the same between the two thighs ..... and the next two iron legs of the image .... one north and one south of Israel at the future time of the end

The king of the south [Egypt] will resist [push at] the little horn [the last king of the north ... Syria/Iraq today] .... and the little horn will attack and add Egypt to His Middle Eastern kingdom [Daniel 11:40; 11:42]

.... this same offset rivalry is developing in the Middle East as we speak as a prelude to the fulfillment of the vision .... the radical Muslim Islamic State of the north and Egypt

The little horn will then proceed to divide the land among 10 other Middle Eastern kings of his choosing ruling over the kingdom of iron and clay [feet and toes of the image] [Daniel 11:39]

....and this little horn was clearly not Antiochus IV, but the final coming king of the north at the ending of this present age during the 70th week decreed for Israel still pending

The 70th week and time of Jacob's trouble will be the time of pressuring Israel to turn to their Messiah and King Jesus Christ [Jeremiah 30; Ezekiel 38; Daniel 12:1-4; Joel 2; 3; Micah 5:5-6; Zechariah 12; 13; 14; Matthew 24:15-16; Luke 21:20-36; Revelation 12:6; 12:14]

This period is also the same at the Lord's coming hour of trial and judgment upon an intransigent unbelieving world to punish for refusing to believe the truth about Him and who He is [Psalms 2; Jude 1:14-15; Revelation 6:12-17]

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Message 114 of 274 (767340)
08-28-2015 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Faith
08-28-2015 12:10 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"This site considers itself to be for debate, so coming here to teach but not debate isn't going to be accepted"

I prefer to present and discuss rather than to create argumentation which is the typical run of the mill debating on most forums today .... especially when it involves the Lord's Word

We will see how things go


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Message 118 of 274 (767355)
08-28-2015 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by ramoss
08-28-2015 1:24 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"To some extent you can keep it to a discussion by how you set the tone yourself, but no promises. The debate here can get pretty ugly and I'm often on the verge of leaving myself"

I believe an adult discussion is the best policy and more fitting when representing the Lord's Word

.... and I can get really ugly if moved to do so

I am currently and have been posting on the "ugly" boards for a long time

Just put me in a basket with a preterist and I can and might just bury them for all to see .... however, there is a time for every thing under the sun

Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.


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Straightshot
Member (Idle past 1066 days)
Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 119 of 274 (767356)
08-28-2015 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Straightshot
08-28-2015 2:23 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"Well, you have to remember that the Book of Daniel was not written by Daniel"

Well .... would you think that the book of Daniel has been conveyed by another? [John 1:1-14]

Most likely not

.... but that is OK with me


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Straightshot
Member (Idle past 1066 days)
Posts: 89
From: Mitchell SD USA
Joined: 08-25-2015


Message 120 of 274 (767358)
08-28-2015 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Straightshot
08-28-2015 2:29 PM


Re: Beasties and Bibles
"Yeah, you've bought the lies of the modern "scholars" who couldn't believe in prophecy or anything supernatural so redated Daniel to suit their own prejudices rather than the obvious internal evidence of the book itself."

Yeah .... you are a very presumptuous dude son

No trash on my bookshelves .... just the good one

Tell me about the obvious internal evidence of the "book itself" .... give it your best shot

Edited by Straightshot, : No reason given.


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