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Author Topic:   The Nonsense of Revelation 13 Economics
Thugpreacha
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Message 38 of 274 (585941)
10-10-2010 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by PaulK
10-10-2010 3:29 PM


As Long As We Are Making Stuff Up....
Consider this scenario. A world overburdened by debt that it cant pay back agrees to a form of global bankruptcy. The ones who hold the debt (maybe even you or I, in our pension funds) lose out, and a new financial system is discussed. Perhaps this system is backed by humans as value. Each human who agreed to become part of the system would be given a debit value. Perhaps the debit value would be based on what the individual was promised before....for those of us who had pensions or money in investments, we would be given a debit value of, say, 200,000 units. Folks that were poor before would, of course, have to be given less of a debit value...otherwise the system would be unfair. A poor man in India, for example, may be given a debit value of 100 units. Under the new system, however, he could earn units at the same rate as a man in America could, provided he had the education and skills to justify his earnings. Only those who were tied in to this system could participate, for their pledge would be their work and value. Health care and welfare would be built into the system, though at vastly lowered economic rates and ratios. Caring for a dying poor man, for example, shouldn't be the responsibility of those with more units exclusively...every human in the system would be equally taxed for such care.

Those who refused to pledge their allegiance to this system would be unable to buy, sell, or participate in welfare and health care benefits.

Participation alone would be "the same mark". Either you were in or you were out.


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Message 95 of 274 (767085)
08-25-2015 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Straightshot
08-25-2015 5:13 PM


Beasties and Bibles
Welcome to EvC Straightshot.

What do you make of the Beast who was, is not, and yet is? Is there a symbolism in this?

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Thugpreacha
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Message 188 of 274 (781564)
04-05-2016 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Thugpreacha
10-10-2010 4:23 PM


Re: As Long As We Are Making Stuff Up....
Phat writes:

Consider this scenario. A world overburdened by debt that it cant pay back agrees to a form of global bankruptcy. The ones who hold the debt (maybe even you or I, in our pension funds) lose out, and a new financial system is discussed. Perhaps this system is backed by humans as value. Each human who agreed to become part of the system would be given a debit value. Perhaps the debit value would be based on what the individual was promised before....for those of us who had pensions or money in investments, we would be given a debit value of, say, 200,000 units. Folks that were poor before would, of course, have to be given less of a debit value...otherwise the system would be unfair. A poor man in India, for example, may be given a debit value of 100 units. Under the new system, however, he could earn units at the same rate as a man in America could, provided he had the education and skills to justify his earnings. Only those who were tied in to this system could participate, for their pledge would be their work and value. Health care and welfare would be built into the system, though at vastly lowered economic rates and ratios. Caring for a dying poor man, for example, shouldn't be the responsibility of those with more units exclusively...every human in the system would be equally taxed for such care.
Those who refused to pledge their allegiance to this system would be unable to buy, sell, or participate in welfare and health care benefits.

Participation alone would be "the same mark". Either you were in or you were out.


jar writes:

Except of course for the fact that there is no mention of money.

Granted if we read what the Bible actually says there is no mention of money. The only hint we get is the "buy nor sell" thing. Just because the book doesn't say something never seems to stop people from making stuff up. If enough of us make up the same stories, and claim that God inspired us...who is to stop us from marketing it as truth? Its a book of stories anyway. Why not embellish a few?

Edited by Phat, : gotta change a setting


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Message 190 of 274 (781567)
04-05-2016 10:19 AM
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04-05-2016 10:13 AM


Re: As Long As We Are Making Stuff Up....
Keep in mind that when I say "embellish" I do not mean that im not speaking of at least a possible truth as I understand it. It can never be claimed as reality until and unless it happens. I dont plan on selling any books...

Add: I looked up "embellish".

verb
make (something) more attractive by the addition of decorative details or features.
"blue silk embellished with golden embroidery"
synonyms: decorate, adorn, ornament; More
make (a statement or story) more interesting or entertaining by adding extra details, especially ones that are not true.
"she had real difficulty telling the truth because she liked to embellish things"
synonyms: elaborate, embroider, expand on, exaggerate
"the legend was embellished in later retellings"

I want to make clear that im not consciously making up stuff that I dont feel has a good chance of happening. except that I just used the word "chance" which I also do not believe in. Drat

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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Thugpreacha
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Message 192 of 274 (781571)
04-05-2016 10:32 AM
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04-05-2016 10:29 AM


Re: As Long As We Are Making Stuff Up....
sidenote: I edited my prior post.

How do we define how accurate the Bible is if we not only acknowledge that Revelation could be a fantasy itself but that we agree that anyone can make the book say what they intend for it to say? Am I to leave the book alone strictly as written? Can I not be allowed to have any opinions,ideas...dare I say prophecies about what it actually means?


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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