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Message 29 of 274 (585909)
10-10-2010 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Buzsaw
10-10-2010 9:36 AM


Re: Mark
quoting the Revelation, Buzsaw writes:

"If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb...."


So God will torture those who do have the mark. It's hard to tell one Beast from the other without a program.

Buzsaw writes:

Every tribe, tongue and nation and the terms buying and selling clearly implies a global monetary system.


By that standard, we've had a "global monetary system" for centuries: gold.


"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi
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Message 180 of 274 (767646)
08-31-2015 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Straightshot
08-31-2015 10:18 AM


Re: The little horn of Daniel 7:8
Straightshot writes:

... sometimes I like to play a fish out before I turn it loose


Sometimes the fish doesn't know he's the fish.
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Message 201 of 274 (804009)
04-06-2017 12:23 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Davidjay
04-05-2017 5:06 PM


Davidjay writes:

Its simple literary comprehension.


So is understanding that Long John Silver was a pirate who was "smart as paint". Understanding what the literature says has no bearing on whether or not the literature is true.
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Message 210 of 274 (804153)
04-07-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Davidjay
04-07-2017 12:13 AM


Davidjay writes:

... simple language comprehension in Revelation 13 leaves no doubt that the chip is now HERE and starting to be used by the dumb and dumber.


Revelation 13 doesn't say anything about a cashless society.
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Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

It's about permission to do business. And it isn't something that "dumb" people are dumbly choosing - it's forced on everybody.
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Message 217 of 274 (804352)
04-08-2017 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 215 by Davidjay
04-08-2017 11:34 AM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Davidjay writes:

IN the seven years since you started this thread, the prophesied means and methods of this MARK in the hand or forehead is in place and starting to be used, and will be installed once there is a one world government.


A mark is a mark. It doesn't need to be a "chip" or anything else that you project on it. There is nothing in Revelation 13 that points directly to today or our near future.
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Message 222 of 274 (804589)
04-11-2017 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 218 by Davidjay
04-11-2017 1:02 AM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Davidjay writes:

And those that are afraid and gutless and whimps, and want to get food and not die, just accept the MARK of the world leader ******** and his priest *********, and then turn on their neighbors who dont have the MARK, and start hunting them down as if they are the traitors to the cause.


You're not reading Revelation 13. It says that everybody, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, will get the mark. The only exceptions will be outlaws, hiding in the hills eating roots and berries. We already have those guys but not all of them are prophecy nuts. Some of them are just nuts.
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Message 228 of 274 (804713)
04-12-2017 3:53 PM
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04-12-2017 1:54 AM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Davidjay writes:

Yes, be a so called outlaw and run to the hills as Jesus said.


Jesus didn't say any such thing. He said, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." (Matthew 22:21) He advocated compliance.

But you're still missing the point of Revelation 13. it's a message to Christians. It's the prophecy-believing Christians who are more likely to fall for the Anitchrist and accept the mark of the Beast - because they're gullibble.


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Message 234 of 274 (804835)
04-13-2017 11:40 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 1:30 AM


Re: Stick to Econmics and Revelation 13
Davidjay writes:

...true Christians who have love and brains and courage will NOT.


True Christians who have love and brains and courage are not taken in by foolish interpretations of prophecy (such as yours) either.

You're old enough to remember when the Soviet Union was supposedly the fulfilment of a lot of prophecy. Every generation seems to think that the Revelation is aimed directly at them - and every generation has been wrong.


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Message 236 of 274 (804844)
04-13-2017 11:55 AM
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04-13-2017 11:47 AM


Re: Russia
Davidjay writes:

Yes an even more vile world power will take over from the vile rulers of the three countries, that now rule (England, France and the US) and its Russia.


That's what the prophecy nuts always say. For a while it was the Soviet Union. Before that it was Hitler. Before that it was Napoleon. Before that it was the Turks. Before that it was Genghis Khan. Whoever they are currently demonizing perfectly fits the prophecy.

A hundred years from now it might be Botswana. The prophecy always fits if you use a big enough shoehorn.


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Message 238 of 274 (804851)
04-13-2017 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by Davidjay
04-13-2017 11:59 AM


Re: Russia
Davidjay writes:

I didnt know Botswana has nuclear weapons and exactly matches all the exact direct prophesies.


Prophecy nuts didn't know about the Soviet Union in 1800 either. That's why the prophecy "exactly matched" Napoleon at that time. It's only with 20-20 hindsight that they realized that the Soviet Union was a better "exact match". So who's to say that something else won't be an even better "better exact match" in the future?

When you're grasping at straws, you're likely to find them.


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Message 241 of 274 (805073)
04-15-2017 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by Davidjay
04-15-2017 12:53 AM


Davidjay writes:

As mentioned Ringo, its your responsibility to get it right, without blaming others for getting it wrong.


I'm not blaming anybody for anything. I'm warning you that you are the one who is susceptible to doing silly things because of your belief in prophecy.
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Message 243 of 274 (805624)
04-19-2017 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 242 by Davidjay
04-19-2017 9:21 AM


Re: Dont take the Mark of the Beast
Davidjay writes:

So Ringo, dont say I am doing a silly thing by not taking the MARK....


That isn't what I'm saying.

I'm saying that you're more likely to take the mark than I am.

Because you're gullible. Some televangelist will offer you (for a small donation) a magic wristband that will protect you from the Beast and you'll order six of them.


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Message 245 of 274 (805739)
04-20-2017 11:42 AM
Reply to: Message 244 by Davidjay
04-20-2017 9:51 AM


Re: Dont take the Mark of the Beast
Davidjay writes:

You control people by controlling their finances and using their fear of death as the modus operandi.


You don't need a chip to do that. The rich have been controlling people's finances for millennia. There is nothing unique in current events that corresponds to Revelation 13.

Davidjay writes:

I have a track record of 40 some years as an independant Christian missionary.


Being wrong for 40 years doesn't make a good resume.
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Message 248 of 274 (805893)
04-21-2017 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 247 by Davidjay
04-21-2017 9:20 AM


Re: Dont take the Mark of the Beast
Davidjay writes:

Bankers cause wars, and churchies and materialists love wars and stealing.


And they didn't need chips to do it.
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Message 250 of 274 (805919)
04-21-2017 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by Davidjay
04-21-2017 1:08 PM


Re: Dont take the Mark of the Beast
Davidjay writes:

Yes, chips make it easier, dont you know this Ringo ?


No they don't. The mark is only one bit of information, true or false, yes you can buy and sell or no you can't. That information can be conveyed by a tattoo or a brand and those technologies have been around forever.

Davidjay writes:

Electronically anyone with the reader can know everything about you, your medical records, financial records, your youve been, your browsing history....


Who cares? The mark is about buying and selling, yes or no.

Before microchips, the prophecy nuts thought debit cards were the mark of the beast. Before that it was credit cards. Before that it was personal cheques. Before that it was paper currency. Before that it was yada yada yada.

Prophecy nuts have always been so arrogant as to assume that the prophecies in the Bible were aimed specifically at them in their time. They've always been wrong. So why should we believe that your arrogance is different?


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