ICant writes:
jar writes:
Nope. In fact it says that everyone gets the "Mark", not that everyone but Christians get the "Mark'.
If everybody has the mark why is the penalty for not having the mark not being able to buy or sell?
Good point, brother. There are corroborating Revelation scriptures which alude to the fact that Christians should refuse to take the mark.
Revelation 14:9-13; ASV:
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name. 12Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 16:2And the first went, and poured out his bowl into the earth; and it became a noisome and grievous sore upon the men that had the mark of the beast, and that worshipped his image.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: they two were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus, and for the word of God, and such as worshipped not the beast, neither his image, and received not the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they lived, and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
ICant writes:
jar writes:
no mention of a global monetary system
I don't know if there will be a global monetary system but I do know that everybody in the world will receive the mark, name, or number of the beast or they won't be able to buy or sell.
Every tribe, tongue and nation and the terms buying and selling clearly implies a global monetary system.
ICant writes:
Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
We are also told that every person that does not worship the image of the beast will be killed.
Again, right on; clearly global government. This same 10 horned beast global gubm't is alluded to in the OT. (Daniel 7) and in Revelation, chapter 17 as well, all implying a global regime.
Jar and other skeptics choose to disregard the fact that the powers that be in the nations today are pressing toward global government. Islam also aspires to become the theocracy which will wield the power to force worship on all nations enforce by threat of death (likely beheading as per Revelation 20:4, cited above.) Beheading is the likely and traditional Islamic method of execution.
This
end time global rise and rapid expansion of Islamic aggression is apocalyptic, as prophesied in both OT and NT.
ICant writes:
jar writes:
So is there any support for the claim that Revelations 13 contains ANY prophecy related to some future monetary system?
It seems that there is a system that to buy or sell you have to have a mark, name, or number in your hand or your forehead.
I am not sure but I think that would qualify as a monetary system.
No doubt about it. It's not so future. It's obviously emerging. Secularistic skeptics who avoid any acountability of a higher power have a vested interest in denying anything alluding to a higher power.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.