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Author Topic:   The Nonsense of Revelation 13 Economics
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Message 17 of 274 (585847)
10-10-2010 1:12 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
10-09-2010 6:13 PM

jar writes:
First, everybody gets the same number and the number does NOT identify the individual but rather "The Beast".
Wouldn't an implant contain both types of ID? For example an implant might include biometric and financial data for the individual as well as permission information from an authorizing agent. The data might be encrypted using a public/private key system that further verified and identified an authorizing agent.
Nope. In fact it says that everyone gets the "Mark", not that everyone but Christians get the "Mark'.
If the mark really were of the beast, Christians would avoid a Faustian deal with the devil and would not accept the mark even though doing avoiding it will make their life uncomfortable.
Buzsaw's interpretation seems quite a stretch. I don't see how a single global currency would be thought of as a solution to any of the current financial problems.

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Message 31 of 274 (585915)
10-10-2010 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
10-10-2010 9:08 AM

Re: an "I The Beast" stamp"
jar writes:
Except the story tells us what data is involved. no biometrics, no financial data, no encryption, just the name or number of the Second Beast.
I disagree. Revelations does not exclude other information from being included as long as the mark of the beast is present.
Could be, except for one thing. Nothing in the passage says anything about Christians not getting the Mark. Earlier it says that the folk that won't worship the Beast get killed. But it does not identify them as Christians and all them got killed anyway so they are out of the story.
Your interpretation is simply too literal, in my opinion. You don't allow for the use of any symbology whatsoever, even though the author clearly uses symbolic language.
Christians would be among those who do not worship the beast. Perhaps the policies of killing all non-beast worshipers is not 100% effective. Perhaps not getting the mark is not taken as complete proof of failing to worship the beast by non-Christians.

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Message 33 of 274 (585923)
10-10-2010 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by jar
10-10-2010 2:57 PM

Revelations and Prophecy
jar writes:
Now certainly we can make up all kinds of stuff, and honestly, that is exactly what seems to be the case when it comes to Biblical Prophecy. But if that is the process then it is possible to make any prophecy seem true, they lose all value.
Some amount of interpretation is inherent in the process of trying to make sense of prophecy written in symbolic language. It's going to be difficult to screen out false heraldings of Ragnarok from the real thing.
It also means that we're going to constantly hear fanciful predictions from those who think the end is next week if not sooner. Buz seems sure that we are living in the end times. Based on that he predicts a course for future events. If all currencies do not fail and a global currency is not introduced, then Buz will be proven wrong.

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Message 183 of 274 (767700)
09-01-2015 12:21 AM
Reply to: Message 167 by Straightshot
08-30-2015 7:55 PM

Re: The little horn of Daniel 7:8
I am using the "reply" button at the bottom right .... next to the "peeK" button
Please take this as help and not an trying to hurt you.
My guess is that you are using the reply button at the very bottom right of the entire page instead of using the reply button that is on the bottom of the message you want to reply to.
If you fix that you will get most of the frustrated people off of your back. Then if you figure out how to quote, you'll be in good shape.

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