Firstly name and number can not be the same thing. A number is not a name, it is a number
"... and letters are not names, they are letters."
It is not only the thing itself, but how we use that thing which determines what we would call it. Typically a number is not used as a name, but that does not mean numbers cannot be used as names. If a number is used to identify you and you are called that number in common usage, then that number is your name, And thus yes, they can be the same thing.
One-nil.
There is no place in the Greek text that gives a definition of the mark nor is there any place in chapter 13 that links it to the name or the number of the Beast.
So when you state what the mark is you are simply asserting what you think it is or repeating what someone elese has said they think it is.
If you disagree and believe the Greek text does give a definition of what the mark is, please present your evidence. I presented mine to jar in an earlier post
I assumed evidence was provided to back the assertion that the mark was the number or the name. Silly me I should have checked that jar could support his claims before resting my own case on them.
Oh wait, it was.
[quote=jar in message 1, the OP]
16He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead,
17so that no one could buy or sell unless he had
the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.
emphasis added.So yes, the mark is related to the name and number. The mark
is the name or number.
Two-nil.
How can you determine what the mark is used for?
Because the Bible tells us what it is for: only people with the mark can buy or sell. It is identifying the members of a specific group, being those who have permission to buy and sell (and more widely, we can infer that this is also the group of people who worship the other fella).
It is in the hand or forehead not on the hand or the forehead.
So how do you know what it is?
The only way the mark can be in the hand or forehead is if it is an implant of some kind.
I would assume it is something of the order of the radio chip that was added to all credit cards that have been issued since 2000. If you have one on your person and walk close to a receiver it reads all your information instantly if the card is not shielded.
As above, we know what it is because the text tells us such; it is "the name of the Beast or the number of his name".
Later on we are informed that the number is 666. The name is not included for obvious reasons, both of these as I explained earlier.
Tattoos and piercings are considered "in" the body part they are, well,
in. And that's if you only want to take a literal interpretation as of course you do.
If one considers other uses of the word 'in' then the verse could easily refer to a piece of paper with permission written on it, held
"in the hand", just as authorised documents we have now include a signature and stamp or seal, and just as would have been the case in the period Revelations was written.
Three-nil.
Once again:
It is not a mark to be traded (nor representative of something that can be traded). It is only present to grant permission; it is not there as any form of currency. Therefore it is not part of a monetary system.