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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
and thats the problem. Corporations are impersonal. And like them, I would pay the cheaper wage. We as Americans need to organize and stick together!
I fear the war that may occur if Americans are dumped by a competitive uncaring world. We DO have WMD's after all. Not that I would favor using them, but many folks would rather fight than lose.
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Jon Inactive Member |
There is only one tiny problem in all of this the less people are payed the less they can buy. You cannot buy a successful economy. Labor, like many resources, increases output as its input is increased. If the greater output is exchanged for less today than for what the lower output was exchanged yesterday, deflation occurs. When inflation occurs, deflation is the quickest fix. Is the system inflated or deflated? If you believe it inflated, then you should adopt my solution above. If you believe it deflated, then an alternate solution is required. If you believe it inflated, but continue charging more and more for the same output each successive day, then the system will fail. If the system is inflated in certain areas and equally deflated in others, then it is off-balance, and deflating the inflated areas will inflate the deflated ones. The questions are simple: What is wrong? Based on this, we know what must be done: How do we do it? Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
and the same problem lies evrywhere in the world, we import bosinans and serbs. The chinese started to import africans lol. All for profit and greed if there is a cheper option every one will go for the cheper option.
bare in mind that cutting import of foreign labure would be disasterus for any country not because no one would do their jobs but because no one would do it for the money that they do it. Say slovenia kicks out every foreign laburer the prices for, road construction and maintainence skyrocket, the price for sewer maintainence skyrocket, the prices of everything that has to do whit foreign labure goes up and you have to pay for it. be it in bigger taxsation, or larger prices at the mall.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Where in your post did you address the notion of inflation?
As for inflation, I realize that increasing wages increases prices. Inflation has two parts. This is only one part, and may well be a natural result of even a healthy balanced economy.
The company should help local labor first, in order to help America. Helping India does nothing for anyone but corporate executive paychecks.. You pay your kid to mow the lawn, even if it costs more than hiring the Mexicans. Huh? What has that to do with anything? Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I fear the war that may occur if Americans are dumped by a competitive uncaring world. We DO have WMD's after all. Any wars as a result of 'Americans .. dumped by a competitive uncaring world' will be solely the responsibility of Americans, and only be one other reason to conclude that America is without integrity. Your bullying tactics may get you more lunch money for a while, but you cannot count on them to fix the system. Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
What is wrong? The rich are too rich and the pore are too pore.
How do we do it? well a no money world would fix the problem how to implement it is a nother problem. what i mean by no money world is that you get what you deserve. your basic, and luxsury goods would be calculated depending on the typ of work you do and what risks and gains are involved in it. Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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Jon Inactive Member
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How do we do it? well a no money world would fix the problem how to implement it is a nother problem. what i mean by no money world is that you get what you deserve. your basic, and luxsury goods would be calculated depending on the typ of work you do and what risks and gains are involved in it. Money is just a scale. A standard. A common economic language. The system can work without money, but it requires a lot more effort and time. The system can be fixed without getting rid of our scale; but that requires an understanding of the scale. Furthermore, history shows us that complex, non-monetary economies are short-lived. Standards of scale quickly come to use. It would seem it is just too impractical to run a large economy without the standard of scale money allows. Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Well there is a problem whit money that can never be fixed if you have enough you or your children never have to work again so you are no longer a productive member of society and you still profit form society's goods.
say you invested in microsoft back in the 80, you do not have to do anything any more and live of the work of others because you have tones of money. If money did not exsist drug lords could not exsist, they do nothing but force others to grow their drugs and sell it for them and they have mansions, and anything they want. While a poor child in africa works for 16 hours to get a bite to eat. if you would get your goods depending on what you do and the risk and gains involved in your work the drug lord would be sweeping floors gettin only basic gods and a few luxury goods a year and the poor kid in africa would not be so poor cause digging for diamonds is dangerus work and his work conditions are dangerus so he would get more basic goods and more luxury goods. And importing a mexican to do his job would make no difference to the employer cause he would get payed the same amount of goods. the problem is the whole world would haveto abandon money, and impliment the same laws of goods distribution. Edited by frako, : No reason given.
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Phat Member Posts: 18338 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
frako writes: My point, among other points, is that we are getting less than we used to get. Whether we deserve it or not is open to speculation.. what i mean by no money world is that you get what you deserve. Who determines and/or sets the value scale?
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DBlevins Member (Idle past 3803 days) Posts: 652 From: Puyallup, WA. Joined: |
Monetary policy of the fed controls inflation. It is only a problem if the price for the goods rise with the increase in wages. Keep the price of the goods stable. Cut into the outrageous disparity between executives and low wage earners and the mega profits of those corporations.
Everyone 'champions' inflation. No economist champions deflation.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Who determines and/or sets the value scale? the market does, supply and demand, or in some cases you can if you have enough money mostly in stocks though.
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
No economist champions deflation. do to the system in place deflation is bad for the economy thouhg good for the people in short term. Why? your wages stay the same for the period that your country has to sync inflation/deflation whit your wage, in my case one month. So your employer is selling things for less money and pays you the same wage every month this is good for you cause you can buy more stuff bad for him cause he is loosing money in short term it is no biggy and relatvly good for workers if the deflation continues your employer makes no profit he goes bankrupt and you get no money every month. inflation works backwards he pays you less and gets more money from what he sells.
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Jon Inactive Member |
say you invested in microsoft back in the 80, you do not have to do anything any more and live of the work of others because you have tones of money. LOL. Why does Microsoft make money today?
if you have enough you or your children never have to work again so you are no longer a productive member of society and you still profit form society's goods. That is easily fixed. It is not a problem with money; it is a problem with society.
If money did not exsist drug lords could not exsist, If the illegal drug market did not exist, drug lords could not exist. Money doesn't allow them to exist anymore than it allows you to take a piss. Again, this is a societal issue, not one spurred from the existence of a standard of scale.
the problem is the whole world would haveto abandon money, and impliment the same laws of goods distribution. Again, you haven't shown how that would fix anything; only make things more complicated. Does throwing the scale out the window make it easier for the doctor to weigh you? Does replacing the scale fix the incompetent doctor who cannot use the scale? The scale is not broken; those who use it and the systems that employ it are. As I've said before, it's the people that need the fixing. Blaming inanimate objects for your troubles does no good toward fixing them. Jon Check out the Purple Quill!
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frako Member (Idle past 333 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
The scale is not broken; those who use it and the systems that employ it are. As I've said before, it's the people that need the fixing. Blaming inanimate objects for your troubles does no good toward fixing them. it is impossible to fix the people sad but true greed is what drives us and if the system alowes us to abuse it we will abuse it for our own personal gain. The fix will haveto come from a system that cannot be abused for personal gain.
LOL. Why does Microsoft make money today? cause it has a relative monopoly, not that there are not any other os out there there are not many that work whit everything like microsoft does, and few come as a standard on your pc.
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Jon Inactive Member |
It is only a problem if the price for the goods rise with the increase in wages. LOL. Sorry, but that is backwards. Inflation happens when there is more money in circulation today than there was yesterday without a comparable increase in goods/services between yesterday and today. Increasing wages increases money in circulation. If goods/services do not increase comparable to that increase in circulating money, then those goods/services will cost more and the real value (amount purchasable per unit) of money decreases. On deflation:
quote: Cut into the outrageous disparity between executives and low wage earners and the mega profits of those corporations. What is the effect of this?
Everyone 'champions' inflation. I sure don't. LOL Jon Edited by Jon, : No reason given. Edited by Jon, : -price Check out the Purple Quill!
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