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Author Topic:   Would ID/Creationists need new, independant dating techniques??
PaulK
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Message 6 of 144 (587364)
10-18-2010 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Zubbbra25
10-18-2010 1:30 PM


Only the young earthers need new dating techniques (most of the ID crowd are old earthers).
But more importantly they need a GOOD explanation for all the dating methods that produce results they don't like.

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Message 9 of 144 (587370)
10-18-2010 3:40 PM
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10-18-2010 3:30 PM


Because they start with the unshakable assumption that they are right.

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Message 115 of 144 (591363)
11-13-2010 11:57 AM
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11-13-2010 8:28 AM


Buz knows perfectly well that his "point" is simply a baseless assertion that exists solely as an excuse for ignoring the evidence. He has been tackled on this point time and time again - usually running away from the question and NEVER offering any valid reason to think his claim might be true.

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Message 136 of 144 (618760)
06-06-2011 2:11 AM
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06-06-2011 1:30 AM


Re: ID and age of earth
In fact there IS an important issue relating to the age of the Earth.
ID claims to be science.
ID's aim is to establish an alternative explanation for the history of life on Earth. And the age of the Earth is relevant to that.
The scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that the Earth is very old.
So ID SHOULD be taking a clear old-Earth stance as a movement, right ? But they don't. In fact the ID movement refuses to take a position. Aren't they just pandering to Young Earth Creationists by trying to smooth over the gap between OEC and YEC ?

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Message 140 of 144 (618908)
06-07-2011 2:16 AM
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06-07-2011 2:01 AM


Re: ID and age of earth
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The point of ID (which is seperate from Creationism) is to SHOW design
ID is not separate from creationism. ID started as a new name for creationism, as is well known since the Dover case.
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Not how old the earth is.
Agreed. The age of the Earth is not part of ID. Therefore if ID is scientific it should accept the scientifically established age of the Earth. So why does the ID movement refuse to take a stand on the matter ?
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Michael Behe for instance makes a great case for ID.
Off topic, but no he didn't. In fact he never finished his irreducible complexity argument and seems to have given up working on it. Please start another thread if you wish to discuss it further.

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