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Just being real
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Message 46 of 104 (589052)
10-30-2010 2:05 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by onifre
10-29-2010 6:40 PM


Not in the sense that you're thinking of - as in, sci-fi time travel where you can actually go back or forward to a date "in time." There are no "dates in time."
Don't you think the movies have made time seem as if it were a thing, or a place to be exact? And that this in turn has shaped so many misconceptions about time? I agree with you, time is not a place, but rather an experience. It is a man made invention to measure passage of space between events (distance). That is to say our form of measuring time is man made. (Space between events has always existed.) You can go to china, but you can’t go to a second ago. That second was merely our way of expressing the passing of an event. We have chosen to express it with man made increments called seconds. We can not travel back and view past events as they are happening, because they are not happening, but rather have already happened.
Only because of fictional movies have many taken to the notion that time is like trillions upon trillions of micro time frames, kind of like an old movie reel, and we merely experience the next frame as we pass forward through time. If that were true then it would seem logical that we could theoretically step backwards to a previous "time frame" and experience those frames again. And suppose that were true that you really could step back to say 1957? Then for you that would be your future. So would you really be traveling backwards in time or would you technically still only be traveling forwards?
I suggest that matter simply exists as it is, and it is time which is the man made allusion. As you said Onfire, the most we could do is possibly alter how we experience it. The aging that we are all experiencing is merely the results of real matter (ours) wearing out. The life processes of our own cells begins to break down and all the bodily deterioration that we call aging takes us back to the dust from whence we came. Time is not the culprit though. Time is merely our invention. It becomes our scapegoat. If only we could turn back the hands of timewe think to ourselves. It makes for a great movie, but that’s about it.
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Message 47 of 104 (589055)
10-30-2010 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by frako
10-29-2010 7:24 AM


I doubt time travle is possible to many paradoxses.
There is something else you may have not considered, which would allow you to peer into the past. We tend to think of light as being the fastest traveling commodity in our universe. But in the grand scheme of things it is really quite slow. Consider the fact that our own galaxy is so vast that traveling at the speed of light for 50 years would only put us about a quarter of the way across our own galaxy’s diameter. And now consider that there are billions of other galaxies in our universe that are millions of light years from our galaxy. Some of which are much more larger than our own. That means that even if you could travel at the speed of light it would still take you millions of years to reach another galaxy.
Well the next time you are peering into the night sky and looking up at the stars, some of the dimmest (furthest) stars, think about how their light actually left from their galaxy long ago. Provided of course the universe is really 16 billion years old. So then it may even be possible that some of those stars you are looking at aren’t even there anymore. They may have long since supernova-ed into oblivion. What that means, is that in a sense, every time we look into a night sky we are actually seeing into the past over several millions of years ago (if old universe conjectures are true).
So theoretically its possible to view past events on earth as they actually happened. That would require the development of at least two highly advanced technologies. The first would be to develop some advanced telescope that allowed you to focus in on and view a circling planet around one of those stars. One that was so good that it could focus right in on rocks the size of a baseball on that distant planet. That would mean that the view you are receiving of that rock is not a current view of it, but rather a view of how that rock looked several million years ago. The actual rock, planet, and star that it is circling may not even be there anymore.
Second, somehow develop a means of space travel that was millions of times faster than the speed of light. Then if you were to put your "super telescope" on this "warp" rocket and shoot it out into space, millions of times faster than the speed of light, and focus it back on earth, you would be seeing the light from the earth of the past, not the current light. That means focusing in you could theoretically, depending on rather you went further out or closer in, you could witness the Greek and Persian war, watch the Mayflower land on Plymouth Rock, or see George Washington cross the Delaware river.
That's about as close as anyone could ever come to backwards time travel.

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Just being real
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Message 57 of 104 (589176)
10-31-2010 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by lyx2no
10-30-2010 7:50 PM


Re: Don't Forget the Rotary Plasmatron
Can you think of anything that isn't theoretically possible if we could "somehow" do it? We could theoretically build twenty mile high pyramids of cheese if we could somehow get cows to produce milk with the compressive strength of diamond.
Oh ouch... you really hurt me. I lost sleep over that one. No really I did. Since genetically altering a cow to produce diamond strength milk seems both far fetched and pointless, I doubt that any attempts will ever be made to advance there. But you can keep us all posted.
On the other hand when you consider the advancements humans have achieved just in flight, my "warp speed" rocket is more than just plausible. Considering that in 1783 the Montgolfier brothers invented the first hot air baloon and less than 200 years later the first space shuttle is being launched by NASA. At that rate "faster than the speed of light" travel is very possible in 2 to 3 hundred more years from now.
And of course the same can be said for the advancements of the telescope. From the first known telescope of Hans Lippershey in 1608 to todays Hubble Telescope. My ideas are not as ridiculous as you make them sound.
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