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Chimp
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Message 1 of 39 (96977)
04-02-2004 2:45 AM


Here is the definition of "algorithm":
Algorithm - Wikipedia
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"Algorithm
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
Broadly-defined, an algorithm is an interpretable, finite set of instructions for dealing with contingencies and accomplishing some task which can be anything that has a recognizable end-state, end-point, or result for all inputs. (contrast with heuristic). Algorithms often have steps that repeat (iterate) or require decisions (logic and comparison) until the task is completed."

DNA is an algorithm, a finite set of instructions, which can construct a carbon based life form.
The life form physically contains the DNA and the DNA contains the life form in an "abstract" sense.
At a fundamental level of existence, it is postulated that "nature" could be constructed of tiny strings, and those strings, loops, or branes, could even be constructed of string "bits".
These bits could encode information, analogous to the universe's "DNA"? A set of instructions built into the fabric of space/time and mass/energy?
quote:
"If, then, it is true that the axiomatic basis of theoretical physics cannot be extracted from experience but must be freely invented, can we ever hope to find the right way? I answer without hesitation that there is, in my opinion, a right way, and that we are capable of finding it. I hold it true that pure thought can grasp reality, as the ancients dreamed." (Albert Einstein, 1954)


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Chimp
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Message 4 of 39 (96987)
04-02-2004 4:03 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by crashfrog
04-02-2004 2:47 AM


http://www.bimcore.emory.edu/...Mrobbin/project/protdna.html
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DNA contains the instructions of life. It is through DNA that the organism grows and is maintained. By itself, DNA is nothing but a code. For DNA to serve a purpose, the code must be used. Proteins are the method by which DNA is used. All known of this information is fairly simplistic. The more puzzling question is how do protein and DNA work together? How is it that a protein can recognize a sequence of about 20 bases in the midst of millions of bases? What regulates these interactions? This tutorial will attempt to explain some of the mechanisms of Protein-DNA interactions.

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Edward O. Wilson on The Biological Basis of Morality - The Atlantic
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Each kind of animal is furthermore guided through its life cycle by unique and often elaborate sets of instinctual algorithms, many of which are beginning to yield to genetic and neurobiological analyses. With all these examples before us, we may reasonably conclude that human behavior originated the same way.

http://seqcore.brcf.med.umich.edu/doc/educ/dnapr/pg1.html
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DNA is basically a long molecule that contains coded instructions for the cells. Everything the cells do is coded somehow in DNA...

Crash frog's opinion appears to be incorrect?

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Chimp
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Message 14 of 39 (97425)
04-03-2004 3:29 AM
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04-02-2004 12:31 PM


http://www.blc.arizona.edu/...e/DNA_Tutorial.HTML#Components
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DNA is a polymer. The monomer units of DNA are nucleotides, and the polymer is known as a "polynucleotide." Each nucleotide consists of a 5-carbon sugar (deoxyribose), a nitrogen containing base attached to the sugar, and a phosphate group. There are four different types of nucleotides found in DNA, differing only in the nitrogenous base. The four nucleotides are given one letter abbreviations as shorthand for the four bases.
A is for adenine
G is for guanine
C is for cytosine
T is for thymine

AGCT looks like code to me... DNA? = information?
Physicist Stephen Hawking writes:
quote:

DNA is the basis of all life on Earth. It has a double helix structure, like a spiral staircase...
[...]
There are four bases in DNA: adenine, guuanine, thymine, and cytosene. The order in which they occur along the spiral staircase carries the genetic information that enables the DNA to assemble an organism around it and reproduce itself...

At the most fundamental length scales, the fundamental paticles, called "strings", could be constructed of even more basic units i.e. bits? analogous to a computer code?
1010100010...etc.
Universal algorithms?
This assumption seems to hint for a designed universe, or even stranger still, a universe that is a type of life form...???
[This message has been edited by Chimp, 04-03-2004]

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Chimp
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Message 15 of 39 (97426)
04-03-2004 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by DNAunion
04-02-2004 11:47 PM


quote:

DNAunion wrote:
No, that's just ink.

Excellent point DNAunion.
Yes, frogs can't have their cake and eat it too...

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Chimp
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Message 20 of 39 (97645)
04-04-2004 6:13 AM


Some interesting ideas on "string bits":
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Introduction
In string-bit models, string is viewed as a polymer molecule, a bound system of point-like constituents which enjoy a Galilei invariant dynamics. This can be consistent with Poincare invariant string, because the Galilei invariance of string-bit dynamics is precisely that of the transverse space
of light-cone quantization. If the string-bit description of string is correct, ordinary nonrelativistic many-body quantum mechanics is the appropriate framework for string dynamics. Of course, for superstring-bits, this quantum mechanics must be made supersymmetric.

According to string theory, the uncertainty in position is given by:
Dx < h/Dp + C*Dp
Which points towards a type of "discrete" spacetime?
Interesting...

  
Chimp
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Message 21 of 39 (99200)
04-11-2004 7:51 AM


Dx and Dp are the uncertainties in position and momentum, represented as probabiliuty distributions; h is Planck's constant and C is another constant related to the Planck scale.
There is a minimum size that can be probed in string theory. An absolute limit to the precision that any object can be located in space. Ergo, according to M-theory, space cannot be continuous; an infinite amount of information cannot be packed into a finite volume of space.
According to conventional theories, the surface area of the horizon surrounding a black hole, measures its entropy, where entropy is defined as a measure of the number of internal states that the black hole can be in without looking different to an outside observer, who must measure only mass, rotation, and charge. Another theory states that the maximum entropy of any closed region of space can never exceed one quarter of the area of the circumscribing surface, with the entropy being the measure of the total information contained by the system.
S' = S_m + A/4
So the "black hole" theorists came to realize that the information associated with all phenomena in the three dimensional world, can be stored on a two dimensional boundary, analogous to the storing of a holographic image.
The set of all dogs is itself "not" a dog. It is not a member of itself. Sets that are not members of themselves leads to a contradiction in the construction of a universal set. The "set of all sets" cannot exist under these limiting conditions.
DNA is also defined as an algorithm. A finite set? of instructions, a step by step problem solving procedure.
The information contained in DNA can construct a carbon based life form.
So the "DNA" contains the life form analogously to the way a blueprint contains a house.
The life form contains the DNA in the topological sense, while the DNA contains the life form in the "abstract" sense.
The Universal Algorithm contains the Universe in the abstract sense, while the Universe contains the algorithm in the topological sense.
(<-(->(U)<-)->)
The universal set.
The abstract contains the concrete and the concrete contains the abstract.
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