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Science: A Method not a Source

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ringo
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11-01-2010 10:39 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
10-29-2010 10:49 AM

Re: The Bible and the Scientific Method
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In every shape and form, this is precisely the way the modern scientific method has been designed to function.
Maybe I missed it in the underbrush but:
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The evidence he has is that all offspring have parents. Why would he even wonder about a "beginning"?
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11-01-2010 11:20 AM 		Reply to: Message 64 by Jon
11-01-2010 10:59 AM

Re: The Bible and the Scientific Method
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ringo writes:
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The evidence he has is that all offspring have parents.
It wasn't mentioned that he had this evidence in the OP, but if we do throw this into the mix of evidence he has, then yes, it would definitely alter his conclusion.
Everybody has that evidence. He knew he had "parents". He knew about "generations".
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His hypothesis that the human race has an "age" was contrary to all observations (available at the time). He was outside the scientific method as soon as he asked the question.
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ringo
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11-01-2010 12:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 67 by Jon
11-01-2010 11:57 AM

Re: The Bible and the Scientific Method
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If he had the evidence 'all offspring have parents', then his conclusion is not likely scientifically derived.
Everybody he knew had parents. That's the evidence he had. It seems like a reasonable assumption that people he didn't know had parents too. It doesn't seem like a reasonable assumption that there was ever anybody who didn't have parents.
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Let's say he does have the evidence ringo says he has, that all offspring have parents, would his conclusion that the human race is eternal, then, have been scientifically derived?
I wouldn't use the word "eternal". That seems outside the scientific method too.
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The scientific conclusion would have been that, given the available evidence, there was no reason to think about a "beginning" at all.
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