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Rahvin
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Message 134 of 150 (452791)
01-31-2008 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 131 by randman
01-31-2008 10:30 AM


Re: ID research as it relates to Dover
Imo, this argument is disingenious. We all know within evo circles, the idea of ID is highly charged and likely to set off a firestorm of persecution and protest among evos towards anyone daring to publish explicitly ID papers,
As well it should becasue extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Let me repeat that.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
How about the last part.
...require extraordinary evidence.
If someone makes a claim as extraordinary as ID, that all life on Earth is actually the work of some higher designer, that someone had better be able to back it up with much better evidence than the easily falsified "irreducible complexity" BS, especially with the mountain of evidence directly contradicting ID (that many evolved structures, in fact, are stupid, they simply work well enough).
If you step into a room full of physicists and make a bizzare claim like "relativity is false!" (or anything like what tesla says every day around here), you should be met with ridicule unless you can back up your claim with ironclad evidence.
IDists have never produced any significant evidence beyond incredulity and religion. Until they do, real scientists will continue to make fun of them. Believing in god (or an unnamed "designer") is one thing. Believing you can prove it scientifically is quite another.

When you know you're going to wake up in three days, dying is not a sacrifice. It's a painful inconvenience.

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Message 139 of 150 (452812)
01-31-2008 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 138 by randman
01-31-2008 11:11 AM


Re: ID research as it relates to Dover
It's not an extraordinary claim. In fact, the more extraordinary claim is Darwinism and the evidence isn't there.
Uh huh. Your incredulity or personal belief is irrelevant. There are 200 years worth of scientific research and evidence in favor of Evolution, including direct observation of the process.
The only evidence brought forward for ID is incredulity and faith.
Which is why it was struck down at the Dover trial - it's religion in a poor disguise, which cannot be taught in schools, and cdesign proponentists are not actually doing any science. Until they start bringing extraordinary evidence to the table to back up their extraordinary claims (and violating parsimony with an additional entity in the form of a "designer" with no evidence of such an entity is most definitely an extraordinary claim), cdesign proponentists will continue to be mocked in scientific circles, and their BS will not enter classrooms.

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Message 143 of 150 (452828)
01-31-2008 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Coyote
01-31-2008 11:57 AM


Re: ID research as it relates to Dover
This is the evidence ID only wishes it had; when the Dover trial came along ID found itself holding an empty sack.
The sack wasn't empty. It was what they were using to hide their Bible. Which is why they lost, badly.

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