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Buzsaw
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Message 9 of 144 (589762)
11-04-2010 11:26 AM


Buz Response To Jar and Frako
How many times over the years have I refuted this stuff, folks? How many times will I have to continue driving the facts home?
Jar and Frako, your examples are the usual strawmen. It weighs upon you or anyone else to cite New Testament evidence that the stuff you cited is NT (Christian) Biblical.
Jar, over and over, for years, you and others here at EvC town have been refuted on this count that any of these Dark Age attrocities, perpetrated by the Romish non-Biblical Catholic bishops and popes were sanctioned in the NT or anything Christian Biblically. It makes one wonder why anyone, over the centuries would willingly ascribe to the non-Biblical doctrines of the RCC, given their bloody history, their relationships with the anti-semetic Nazis, etc.
Obviously you are knowingly regurgitating strawmen which have been soundly refuted repeatedly over the years here at EvC.
As for the OT scriptures, I have repeatedly cited the fact that the only Biblical carnage related to Israel and sanctioned by Jehovah was confined within one tiny nation, Israel, for the express purpose of Jehovah to establish a messianic kingdom for the future. The only time Israel, either then or now in modern times has ever struck beyond their Biblically designated borders was for defensive purposes and their own survival.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 144 (589763)
11-04-2010 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Theodoric
11-01-2010 9:30 AM


Buz Be Back, God Willing
Thanks, Theodoric for proposing this thread. I have to be out of town for most of the day but hope to contribute more to your thread when I find time.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Add To Title

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 14 of 144 (589875)
11-04-2010 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by jar
11-04-2010 7:32 PM


Re: Buz Response To Jar and Frako
Content edited out so as to propose a new topic, content leading off topic here.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 22 of 144 (589956)
11-05-2010 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dr Adequate
11-04-2010 7:22 PM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
Dr Adequate writes:
Protestants burnt witches and heretics too.
LoL, Doc. These actions perpetrated by these Protestant zealots were not Biblical NT sanctioned. They made the mistake of applying OT laws given by Jehovah to the tiny messianic nation of Israel to the new Christian dispensation of grace, mercy and salvation via the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
In the NT, the way Jesus dealt with things like adultery, etc, was to evangelize and convert via the regeneration of the indwelling Holy Spirit into the beings of men/mankind. It became the new Gentile dispensation.
Dr Adequate writes:
But in any case, let us for the sake of argument say that, when people went around burning other people, they were No True Christians and that these were ages in which not-really-Christianity held sway. Then these periods, therefore, were not the golden age of Biblical principles, according to Buz. We shall make a note of it.
So when was?
First off, the alleged golden age of NT Biblical principles was both regional and ideological. The Protestant Reformation, with all of it's faults began (I say began) to reform the Western block nations into NT Biblical principles. By the grace of God, the US of A became the most benevolent, productive, prosperous, and God blessed nation of free enterprise and personal freedom in history so long as the Biblical principles were honored, both in government and in the public sector.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 26 of 144 (589971)
11-05-2010 10:26 AM


Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
I forgot to address the decline of the relative golden era in the last message, in addressing Dr Adequate's 2nd question. There has been some ebb and flow of this, but the decline began to escalate steadily after WWII, when the women left the homes as homekeepers, many of the fathers at war and two parents bringing up their children in Biblical principles, many of the homes being single parents via war deaths/disabilities and mothers emerging into the work place.
In the early 1960s some things began to escalate the decline, one being the Hippie generation and another being the end of real value money which could be exchanged for silver at the local bank. This was global.
This was when the calls for banning of freedom of religion in the perameters of all levels of government by athiests like Maddam Murry O'Hare, the emergence of gays from their closets, obsenity and depravity escalation in Hollywood, live-ins replacing marriage vows, decline of the Biblical male leadership role, in and the media moving into the homes via television, increasing surrender of national soverignty to the UN world body and ever expanding government regulations/size etc became ever louder and more prevalent.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 144 (589974)
11-05-2010 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by Dr Adequate
11-05-2010 9:35 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
Dr Adequate writes:
.....Protestants burnt Catholics and when Protestants burnt other Protestants for being the wrong kind of Protestants.......
What? Miniscule and short lived timeframe, by a few zealots compared to the millennium plus centuries of genocide by and other religious sects, not to mention that it was not NT Bibically sanctioned and the past century long genocide via secularistic non-religious totalitarian governments.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 29 of 144 (589991)
11-05-2010 11:44 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Dr Adequate
11-05-2010 10:51 AM


Re: Biblical Principle Golden Age, When And Where?
DA, it appears that Jar's MO of repeating answered questions is rubbing off on you. Sad.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 59 of 144 (590360)
11-07-2010 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Adequate
11-06-2010 11:38 PM


Re: It seems such a nutty topic for a thread
Dr Adequate writes:
Buz seems to think that there were good old days when everyone was a Christian and therefore everything was peachy.
Mmm, no, Dr Adequate, that's never been my position. During the golden age many were not Christians and many were outlaws etc, but it was an era when the Christian majority influenced the mindset of folks in power towards Christian Biblical principles.
Thus, the US of A has long been regarded worldwide as the place to migrate to and the place where citizens of despotic nations risked their lives for escaping into. It has long been, also the most benevolent nation ever, sacrificing our best young men in wars, liberating the oppressed, without grabbing those nations and adding them to our, empire as Russia did, i.e the block of Communist nations, including East Germany in the last century.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Buzsaw
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Message 114 of 144 (590781)
11-09-2010 8:22 PM
Reply to: Message 101 by ringo
11-09-2010 11:03 AM


Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
ringo writes:
The communication problem seems to be because what you call a "decline", a lot of other people call an improvement. The Civil Rights movement, for example, was a big part of that era and many of us wouldn't consider segregation to be a Biblical principle (at least, not one worth following).
The Bible itself suggests that history will be a series of ups and downs, not a trend in one direction or the other:
The problem with the Civil Rights movement was it went to far towards the decline of freedom. Rights of employers and landlords were taken, employer requirements for minorities, women's rights, children rights and animal rights gay rights etc. All of these so called rights for designated classes infringed on the rights of others and increased government and bureacracy. School districts were required to buy buses for integration of students. Those are just to mention a few.
As for the Bible, it's numerous prophets as well as Jesus and the apostles specify the end times relative to the corroborated signs which I've aluded to in other threads as a definite era of relative rapid decline culminating at Armageddon and the emergence of the prophesied messianic kingdom.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 119 of 144 (590794)
11-09-2010 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Dr Adequate
11-07-2010 9:17 PM


Re: Alleged Golden Age Glitch Inadequate
Dr. Adequate, you're adequacy level of debate is waning here in this message, decrying the escape of the oppressed people from Europe and GB, risking life and posessions for freedom in the Americas.
Here's the deal. If you're serious, to be fair to whom you consider the oppressed, you need to find yourself an oppressed descendent of one of the tribes cited and hand over all you have to their nation; your land, because you think it belongs to them and your stuff for repatriation. You're being hypocritical claiming deed to land which IYO does not belong to you.
If you care to open a thread on the topic which you're aluding to, I'll be happy to weigh in as to your inadequate position on this count.
Edited by Buzsaw, : update subtitle

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 144 (590801)
11-09-2010 8:59 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by ringo
11-09-2010 8:45 PM


Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
ringo writes:
Ecclesiastes disagrees with you. There's nothing new under the sun. There were never any good old days.
No, Ecclesiates does not disagree with me. It's a strawman. Ecclesiates is not prophetic relative to the end time decline of the Golden Age. Your quote mined phrase does not relate to specific timelines like a declining golden age.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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