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Dawn Bertot
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Message 91 of 144 (590590)
11-08-2010 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by jar
11-08-2010 11:08 PM


Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
So let me get this straight.

Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

Me thinks you are stalling

hop to it

Dawn Bertot


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jar
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Message 92 of 144 (590591)
11-08-2010 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:16 PM


Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes:

jar writes:

So let me get this straight.

Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

Me thinks you are stalling

hop to it

Dawn Bertot

I have no idea what your reply has to do with the question I asked so I will try again.

So let me get this straight.

Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Theodoric
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Message 93 of 144 (590592)
11-08-2010 11:24 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 10:36 PM


WTF?
And ofcourse this what Theos query is indirectly implying, even though I cannot get him to state the implication of his contention in the first place

Buz claims there was some sort of golden age. All I am asking is when was it and do people think there was one. There is no implication.

Do you want to contribute constructively or not? I am asking more forcefully this time. Do not sidetrack my thread making baseless assertions. Either stay on topic or leave.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 94 of 144 (590593)
11-08-2010 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 10:41 PM


Stay on topic or leave the thread
Will you please stay on topic.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

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Message 95 of 144 (590594)
11-08-2010 11:27 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:13 PM


Again, please stay on topic
This is my final request. If you continue trying to move this from the topic in the OP, I will request active admin moderation

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 96 of 144 (590595)
11-08-2010 11:34 PM
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11-08-2010 11:19 PM


Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals

Dawn Bertot


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Dawn Bertot
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Message 97 of 144 (590596)
11-08-2010 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 93 by Theodoric
11-08-2010 11:24 PM


Re: WTF?
Buz claims there was some sort of golden age. All I am asking is when was it and do people think there was one. There is no implication.

Do you want to contribute constructively or not? I am asking more forcefully this time. Do not sidetrack my thread making baseless assertions. Either stay on topic or leave.

Ok, I claim that time was the 1800s in this country and the forties and fifties in this country. Now what?

Dawn Bertot

Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.


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Message 98 of 144 (590615)
11-09-2010 5:39 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:34 PM


Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Well the in the 1940 the Germans used the bible to condemm Jews. And used it to support their claim that they are the chosen race.

1800 to 1900 Was a golden age of science not the bible it was the age of inventions.

1950 the bible lost most of its power over the masses and rock and role was borne


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Message 99 of 144 (590629)
11-09-2010 7:16 AM
Reply to: Message 74 by Theodoric
11-08-2010 12:46 AM


We seem to have missed something, here.
Theo writes:

Can Buz and others tell us when the golden age of biblical principles was. When did the calamitous decline start?

I think he has told us when it started to decline:

Buzz writes:

There has been some ebb and flow of this, but the decline began to escalate steadily after WWII, when the women left the homes as homekeepers, many of the fathers at war and two parents bringing up their children in Biblical principles, many of the homes being single parents via war deaths/disabilities and mothers emerging into the work place.
In the early 1960s some things began to escalate the decline, one being the Hippie generation and another being the end of real value money which could be exchanged for silver at the local bank. This was global.

This was when the calls for banning of freedom of religion in the perameters of all levels of government by athiests like Maddam Murry O'Hare, the emergence of gays from their closets, obsenity and depravity escalation in Hollywood, live-ins replacing marriage vows, decline of the Biblical male leadership role, in and the media moving into the homes via television, increasing surrender of national soverignty to the UN world body and ever expanding government regulations/size etc became ever louder and more prevalent.

So, things were peachy before the end of WWII.


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jar
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Message 100 of 144 (590639)
11-09-2010 8:58 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:34 PM


Re: Jar ignores the answers to his questions
Dawn Bertot writes:

jar writes:

Are you saying that "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the biblical principle and that the 1800s, 1940s and 1950s are the period when that principle was held up as a rule of moral principles by the vast majority of Americans?

Yeeeees. Could you demonstrate why this was not a golden age of the Bible when the majority of the people held it to the highest standard and used it as the sole guide in morals

Dawn Bertot

Well we can look and see if the people of the United States did actually use the principle "Love your neighbor as yourself" as their sole guide in morals.

The 1800 would be the period when the US, after signing a Treaty with the Kingdom of Hawaii invaded it and over threw the monarch. It would be the period of the Spanish American War when we invaded and took Puerto Rico. It would be when the US invaded Mexico and forced them to accept a treaty that gave the US what is now Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Utah and parts of Colorado. It would be the period of the Indian Wars where the US not only took land from the Native Americans by force but also desecrated their Holy Places (which we continue to do today) but also outlawed and suppressed their religions and cultural practices.

Do those sound like the acts of a people driven by the biblical principle "Love thy neighbor as they self?"

Remember "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's." ?


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 101 of 144 (590661)
11-09-2010 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
11-05-2010 10:26 AM


Re: Decline Of The Golden Age
Buzsaw writes:

In the early 1960s some things began to escalate the decline, one being the Hippie generation and another being the end of real value money which could be exchanged for silver at the local bank. This was global.


The communication problem seems to be because what you call a "decline", a lot of other people call an improvement. The Civil Rights movement, for example, was a big part of that era and many of us wouldn't consider segregation to be a Biblical principle (at least, not one worth following).

The Bible itself suggests that history will be a series of ups and downs, not a trend in one direction or the other:

quote:
Ecc 1:9-10 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.

(It's also interesting that you mention "real value money" as if it was a Biblical principle.)


"It appears that many of you turn to Hebrew to escape the English...." -- Joseppi

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Theodoric
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Message 102 of 144 (590678)
11-09-2010 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:36 PM


Care to elaborate?
Ok, I claim that time was the 1800s in this country and the forties and fifties in this country. Now what?

1800's is an interesting choice. But ti shows a complete lack of historical context and a failure to be able to separate myths from reality.

Did the genocide of native americans have a biblical impetus? Do you think religion and biblical principles were a driving force on the frontier? Did you know that it was legal to transport women for the purpose of prostitution? In 1858 prostitution was a bigger business than shipping and brewing combined.Source
Women couldn't vote in the 1800's. Slavery was a normal part of life for most of the 19th century.

Then again in some people eyes these are biblical principles.

The 1800's you say. Really?

So any evidence that people followed biblical principles more at that time?

Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given.


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Message 103 of 144 (590687)
11-09-2010 1:01 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Dawn Bertot
11-08-2010 11:36 PM


Re: WTF?
Ok, I claim that time was the 1800s in this country and the forties and fifties in this country. Now what?

By "this country", you mean the United States of America? If you do, surely you must be an upper-class white male, as being anything different would mean the times you stated would have been abysmal for you. So I guess a good time for biblical principles is when Caucasian males reign supreme, right? Christianity is all about Caucasian males? I bet you think jeebus is a white dude, huh?


"What can be asserted without proof, can be dismissed without proof."-Hitch.

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Message 104 of 144 (590710)
11-09-2010 3:36 PM
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11-09-2010 1:01 PM


Re: WTF?
I bet you think jeebus is a white dude, huh?

Sure he is a blond blue eyed white dude that was borne the middle east, what makes you think he was not?

Back on topic there is no age that could be considered a golden age of biblical principles by todays standards. If you bring any bible stomper from any age especialy from the dark ages to this age they would say that the we are all satan worshipers. And if you read any history books the bible did not do anything good for the people ever it was always used as a tool to keep the poor in chek, to rally them to ware, for political gain, personal gain ........


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Dawn Bertot
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Message 105 of 144 (590737)
11-09-2010 6:13 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Theodoric
11-09-2010 12:18 PM


Re: Care to elaborate?
1800's is an interesting choice. But ti shows a complete lack of historical context and a failure to be able to separate myths from reality.

Did the genocide of native americans have a biblical impetus? Do you think religion and biblical principles were a driving force on the frontier? Did you know that it was legal to transport women for the purpose of prostitution? In 1858 prostitution was a bigger business than shipping and brewing combined.Source
Women couldn't vote in the 1800's. Slavery was a normal part of life for most of the 19th century.

Then again in some people eyes these are biblical principles.

The 1800's you say. Really?

As usual you and others fail to distinquish between the leadership and the average person in the area at that time. The bible was respected, worship and churches were prevelent

there was then as there is now prejudices that existed, but for the greater part God and his word were respected as the sole rule

jars yours an others examples do not address the average person that made up the masses

Should we judge all Catholics by a fews perversion in the leadership. Do the vast majority of Catholics honor catholic doctrine? Im going to bet they do

The 1800s were most certainly a golden age of the Bible and its principles

Its only when the simple are influenced by yours and others sloppy logic that a decline starts

Dawn Bertot


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