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Author Topic:   Simple evidence for ID
RAZD
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Message 19 of 135 (201884)
04-24-2005 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Trump won
04-24-2005 4:53 PM


how about filling yours out on your proposed thread then?
what is your simple evidence to ID and how do we determine if it is design or "fate" that has been behind it?
"que sera sera" is not much to base a theology on.
I have other questions if you are going to pursue this.

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Message 20 of 135 (201885)
04-24-2005 5:45 PM
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04-24-2005 5:35 PM


what a cute baby ...
with a specialized finger just for extracting bugs from deep inside wood burrows.
what's to say what happens when the interface between man and machine blurs and neural connections are possible?

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Message 26 of 135 (201908)
04-24-2005 6:45 PM
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04-24-2005 5:52 PM


s'okay.

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RAZD
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Message 27 of 135 (201909)
04-24-2005 6:51 PM
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04-24-2005 6:37 PM


Re: Nothing will be impossible for them....
I disagree.
different code words could have survival benefit in battles between competing tribes, as well as having to come up with new words for new experiences.
there are studies that map the evolution of the various languages and dialects, and they match the cultural dispersal maps.
there are few base languages, which shows that while most have evolved from others (including some cross-connections), it is quite possible that language itself had numerous independant evolutions
{edited to add punctuation to last paragraph for clarity}
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Message 36 of 135 (202429)
04-25-2005 9:53 PM
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04-24-2005 10:26 PM


Re: Nothing will be impossible for them....
Unfortunately it's now evolved to the point that people who still say "your momma is so fat" now get censored in spite of it actually being true. So much for anachronistic pre-emptive strikes.

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Message 37 of 135 (202432)
04-25-2005 10:17 PM
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04-24-2005 11:47 PM


Re: brain / computer semi-rant
ben, msg 34 writes:
What I was trying to say is that, given the world around us, and regardless of the "designer," I can't find any reasonable grounds to think there's a better system to create what we know as human.
It depends on what you are designing for as well. If you are trying for perfection out of the box, then it would be reasonable to think that the best effort was put forward and the results would show this. If on the other hand you are trying for a maximum diversity of solutions, then a system that has "happy accidents" built into it has a higher probability of original solutions.
Well... if transmission is linguistic, then there are still cultural barriers. First of all the isolation / barriers (geographic and social) means different linguistic codes, and second of all the mere fact of different cultures means that linguistic codes are not the same. What I mean is that, the "translation problem" is not purely linguistic--it has to do with the fact that different cultures simply view the world in different ways and simply have different cultural assumptions.
Those same cultural differences also equate to different perspectives in approaching a problem, and a maximum diversity in culture would mean a maximum probability of original solutions.
Of course the problem then is communication between cultural groups so that overall knowledge is increased and there is a feedback into other problems from all those diverse perspectives.
I also wonder if slowing neurons down makes for a better product biologically, due to the limits in the way information could be stored, vesus a faster delivery system than storage could process. This gets into the biological limitations on storage systems.

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Message 40 of 135 (202870)
04-26-2005 11:19 PM
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04-26-2005 1:00 AM


Re: brain / computer semi-rant
tommorrow. my brain needs some intelligent redesign to cope with fatigue ....

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Message 43 of 135 (203521)
04-28-2005 10:44 PM
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04-26-2005 1:00 AM


Re: brain / computer semi-rant
sorry for the delay.
Ben, msg 39 writes:
I don't know what it would mean to have "perfection out of the box." Unless you change the parameters of the laws in our universe,
I think we can agree that the self evident fundamental lack of perfection in this universe would indicate that this design approach was not used here.
What kinds of limitations do you have in mind? I'm interested to hear a bit more about it
I've heard it said that a thought takes about 2 seconds, but whether this is true or just indicative is irrelevent to the fact that thought takes significantly more time in a brain than in a computer.
This may be an evolved way of coping with {biological systems\organic reactions} but it may also be the way that our brain associates information: they are time linked, {blurred together\superimposed} by a slower processing system.
The result could be a number of similar information bits that include linked information --
{hat\feathers}
{hat\ribbons}
{hat\flaps}
{hat\colors}

etc, and that this leads to {cognitive\conceptual\creative} links between say ribbons and flaps.
P.S. This is related to the original topic because...
it's about the obvious perfection of the biological system ...
(There was a topic? )

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RAZD
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Message 133 of 135 (302606)
04-09-2006 11:54 AM
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04-09-2006 10:18 AM


Re: looks like you are just spamming us.
That was my conclusion too.
Doing a google, there is a Kevin Scott in East Sussex
and the title of the webpage is "dare to question" ...
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RAZD
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Message 135 of 135 (302670)
04-09-2006 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by Dare-to-question
04-09-2006 3:03 PM


Welcome
No probs, as long as you participate in the discussions rather than push an agenda eh?
So is that your website? If so you might want to put that message in your signature.

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