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frako Member (Idle past 331 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
Theodoric
I was thinking you would reply but i am black too
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 6.5 |
crashfrog writes: Based on an absurd double standard that you have not and would not apply to any other President. You are shooting your face off with this wild speculation about what someone would or would not do. Please do yourself a kind favor and drop this pathetic line. You do have a lot of good things to say, but when you harp on this canard, your whole case sinks into a swamp. Sorry, man - just trying to help out. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Based on an absurd double standard that you have not and would not apply to any other President. Hrm, I wonder what's different about this President that would cause you to apply a double standard? It would be kind f silly to criticize other Presidents now wouldn't it.I didn't realize you knew me when Clinton was President. Clinton was a piece of crap centrist. Nothing liberal or progressive about the man. A consummate opportunist. At this point in their presidencies I would put Obama slightly ahead of Bubba. I think it is cute how you don't let anything as trivial as evidence stand in the way of your paranoia. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
I was thinking you would reply but i am black too Nop but my background give me a deep respect for what Barack Obama has achieved and gone through in his life. My father is Puerto Rican and my mother east coast anglo. I know what it is like to have to straddle two cultures. Like Obama I was raised in the dominant culture and was not immersed in my minority culture. I understand how he is torn culturally. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You are shooting your face off with this wild speculation about what someone would or would not do. I don't think so. I'm just trying to draw into cartoon relief the absurdity of claiming that the President who's getting us out of Iraq, passed a landmark health care reform bill, passed the Lily Ledbetter Act protecting women from employment discrimination, reformed the student loan system to free up millions for poor students to attend college, established a new website for transparency in government lobbying and funding, appointed Sonya Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court, reversed the global gag rule, empowered the FDA to regulate tobacco, pumped up minimum fuel economy standards, added a billion dollars to the VA budget for the care of veterans, expanded health care access to 11 million kids, repealed restrictions on stem cell research, restored Army Field Manual guidelines against torture in interrogations, regulated credit card practices, expanded funding of national park and wilderness areas, expanded Federal hate crimes coverage to include sexual orientation, reformed the finance industry, expanded Medicare coverage of prescription drugs, and extended Federal benefits to same-sex partners somehow isn't a liberal. It's utter bullshit. If this were any other President, Theodoric would be celebrating one of the most successful liberal Presidencies in the modern era. Instead, there's just something different about this guy that leads Theodoric to blame the President when the Senate can't muster 60 votes for something as insignificant as drug reimportation from Canada. Or, I guess, Theodoric could genuinely just be someone who has no idea what he's talking about. I guess I consider myself to be doing Theodoric the courtesy of assuming that he actually looked up Obama's progressive accomplishments before proclaiming he doesn't have any. So, which is it, Theodoric? Racist, or idiot? You choose.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
Lincoln Mitchell racist or idot?
quote:I doubt you will, since it will intrude on your hero worship, but here is the whole article. Peter Daou racist or idiot?
quote:Source Paul Krugman racist or idiot?
quote:Source Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What 60 senators were prepared to to vote for public option health care?
Be specific - name the senators.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
It seems that the republicans want to raise the retirement age to 70 so there will be more people working longer to pay for tax cuts for the rich.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2131 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
What tax cut are you referring to?
The current issue is whether to let taxes go back up on some folks or on everyone.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
You do not address the substance of the post. I am done with your inability to address or present evidence.
You will notice we are now discussing your claiming I am a racist because I am critical of Obama. I would tell you to keep up, but your unwillingness to bring nothing but assertions to the table leaves me no choice but to abandon this back and forth with you. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Theodoric writes:
From my own experience, I've noticed that racists will almost always never admit they are racists. I once attended a lecture by a kkk member who denied up and down he was racist. From the very start you have made racial claims. Theo, the fact of the matter is during this presidency we've seen a lot of firsts. For 8 years president Bush turned the biggest surplus we ever had left from the Clinton era to possibly the worst deficit we ever had. What did we hear from the so-called fiscal conservatives? Nothing. Nada. Zip. And as soon as the first black president was elected, an entire political party was formed in the name of fiscal conservatism to oppose this presidency. Now, remember that the tea party was starting to brew up as soon as it became apparent we might have a woman or black president, but this was long before Obama ever said anything about the stimulus package. But that was just all a coincidence, you claim. What about all those times that they tried to blame the deficit on Obama? When you have the president having to correct members of the press many times on an outright inaccurate fact, there's something wrong. What about all those "I want my country back" claims and the "keep your government hands off my medicare" shouts with passion? Last time I checked, the birthers are still around. And then there was the McCain campaign that harbored all those obviously racist campaigners portraying everything from a monkey portraying Obama to shouts of killing candidate Obama. And let's not forget that McCain never once said anything about it. In my world, silence is another way of condoning the action. And then there are all the confederate flags, an outright symbol of oppression and racial segregation, being waved right into the faces of black people. Tea party leaders have even admitted that they have racists in their own party but that they will not tell them to go away. And what a coincidence that tea party candidates have been found to be ex members of a lot of things related to racism. All a coincidence? Please, we're not that stupid. Of course the racists will not admit that they are racists. That's not politically correct anymore. Instead, they will proclaim something like fiscal conservatism *wink wink* all white members please join now to save god's chosen race, amen. Edited by Taz, : removed d out of and to make an
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9196 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.3 |
When the bush tax cuts were first passed they were intended to sunset. The tax cuts are untenable in the form they are now.
It is still a tax cut. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
And if tax cuts for the rich would really make the economy better, we would have seen that happen in the last 10 years already.
Have you ever written a computer program that has a bug somewhere so it won't compile? If you keep trying to compile it without fixing the bug, it will never compile, unless of course you're a republican who expects a miracle to happen one of these days.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You do not address the substance of the post. No, you don't address the substance of the post. I've asked you perhaps ten times, now - what are the names of the 60 senators who were prepared to vote for public option health care? It's a simple question. Why can't you answer it?
You will notice we are now discussing your claiming I am a racist because I am critical of Obama. And as part of that, we're discussing whether you're applying a reasonable or unreasonable standard when you criticize the President for not passing a health care bill with a public option. If your criticism is reasonable, then it can only be because there were 60 senators willing to vote for public option health care, in which case it is Obama's fault that it didn't pass. So what were the names of the 60 senators willing to vote for public option health care? Be specific - name the senators. Edited by crashfrog, : No reason given.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1492 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
More on structural government obstacles to progressivism: today the Senate voted 53-36 to pass the Democrat's bill to extend tax cuts only up to the $250,000 income level. Obama convinced a majority of senators to vote for his tax cut bill, which had already passed the House.
Hey, sounds good, right? Except the Senate doesn't operate by majority rule. So the measure failed. In other words - it doesn't matter how many elections progressives win, because the government doesn't operate by majority rule. Winners of electoral majorities don't get to enact their policies, and then they get blamed for those policies not being enacted. The progressive agenda will never succeed so long as antimajoritarianism in the senate renders the country ungovernable. It has absolutely nothing to do with Obama being a liberal or conservative. He's as liberal as they come, for the most part; but the government fundamentally can't do liberal things.
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