Does ID follow the scientific method?

Question everything.If someone has a theory, try to disprove it. Challenge it in every way possible. Don't accept anything as given or as a necessary truth. Anything could be wrong, even the ToE.IDers, by contrast, start with the inerrant truth of the bible and try to fit observations about the natural world within that framework.That, in a nutshell, is the difference between the two approaches.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Correct, but IDists don't use simple evaluation processes. He is if he lets his belief dictate how he evaluates the evidence. An IDist warps observations of the real world to fit with preconceived ideas from the bible. That's why they are not science. In science, the observations come first, then conclusions are based on the observations. In ID, the conclusion comes first, then the evidence is stretched, twisted, torn and mutilated until it fits the conclusion. Several people have. You either don't like the answers or don't have the wit to understand them.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

No, because not bringing the bible up is a standard part of the ID modus operandi. They play hide the ball and pretend it has nothing to do with the bible because they want to smuggle it into science classes in schools and they are at least clever enough to understand that if the bible is made explicit that they won't be able to do that.I'll give you a chance to be honest. Do you believe that the bible is inerrant or not? A simple yes or no answer will suffice. No, they are not, because they begin with the assumption that the bible is inerrant. You can keep asking me the question as long as you like and keep pretending I haven't answered it. I'll keep answering it unless and until you address my point.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

No. because it doesn't question everything; it starts with the proposition that the bible is inerrant and never questions that. Exactly how many times do I need to say this? Belief in a deity doesn't require a conclusion of design. This is evidenced by the fact that most scientists who believe in a god also believe that the ToE is the best explanation for the history of life on this planet. Of course, I never said that belief in a deity requires one to conclude design. I said that IDists begin with a foundational assumption that the bible is inerrant.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Just a suggestion:It's considered very bad form and dishonest in a way to edit a post that someone has already responded to by changing or removing a part that they responded to.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Why?We see, generally (although not without exception), that things in the universe tend to have a cause, but how many examples of creations of universes have you studied that lead you to think that there must be a cause for their creation? Please address this in an appropriate thread. What sounds religious to me is the assumption, with absolutely no supporting evidence, that there must have been something that created the universe. It isn't. If you think you have evidence that it is, I'd be delighted to see that in the proper thread.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

I have. I pointed out that ID starts with the unquestioned assumption that the bible is inerrant. You seem to have conveniently forgotten that part of the thread. (Others have also, but I'll leave their points to them.)

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Well, you finally said something that is both comprehensible (barely) and accurate. Well done.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

A good breakdown and analysis, Bluejay. One problem though. You cannot condemn the ID because it falls afoul of the affirming the consequent fallacy, because all of science is based on it.The key difference between ID and science in your example is that science actively seeks out and tests alternate causes, ID does not.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

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We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

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It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

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...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist

Addendum: And should only be engaged in by those who are well-versed in creo tactics and have outstanding public speaking and debate skills. I've seen several "debates" where the creo came out looking like a winner against a far more intelligent scientist who simply wasn't prepared for Gish Gallops, non sequitors, or any of their standard PRATTS.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson

​

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

​

It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate

​

...creationists have a great way to detect fraud and it doesn't take 8 or 40 years or even a scientific degree to spot the fraud--'if it disagrees with the bible then it is wrong'.... -- archaeologist