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Message 33 of 299 (593525)
11-27-2010 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Meldinoor
11-26-2010 1:19 AM


Sounds like you are doing jess fine.
Just keep questioning all the answers and you'll do fine.
It's pretty clear that none of the Gods we can discuss are much more than Gods created by man, particularly ALL the different Gods in the Christian Bible.
Don't worry, if and when you actually do meet a GOD you can decide if its real.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 59 of 299 (593573)
11-27-2010 7:58 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by ICdesign
11-27-2010 7:55 PM


Re: Great Debate Proposal
ICDESIGN writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Faith, however, can be dangerously blind, void of evidence. I think of the 30 or so intelligent Heavens Gaters at Rancho Santa Fe, CA who poisoned themselves to death, having faith for Haley's Comet to transport them to Paradise.
Well of course WHAT you are putting your faith in is only beneficial if it is true. Evidence is great when possible. Eve had no evidence that the fruit God told her not to eat would have the effect he said it would. All she had was his word.
And of course, the evidence is that eating the fruit did NOT have the effect God said it would have.

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Message 74 of 299 (593650)
11-28-2010 10:37 AM
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11-28-2010 10:16 AM


Design without a designer?
ICDESIGN writes:
Can you really have a design without a designer?
Of course you can.
But that has nothing to do with any deconversion experiences.
The issue is whether there is any disadvantage to an experience such as Meldinoor went through?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 80 of 299 (593657)
11-28-2010 11:04 AM
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11-28-2010 10:54 AM


Re: Design without a designer?
However you offer no evidence that the images show something designed by God.
In addition, you did not address the question.
The issue is whether there is any disadvantage to an experience such as Meldinoor went through?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 124 of 299 (593834)
11-29-2010 8:38 PM
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11-29-2010 8:18 PM


Re: Pascal's remants
Most folk also seem to be clueless about what Blaise was actually saying.
He was pointing out two things, that decision trees and probability work and also that living and making life decisions as though you might be judged really has no downside.

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Message 128 of 299 (593845)
11-29-2010 9:11 PM
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11-29-2010 8:48 PM


Re: ?
The Biblical Gods, not just the Christian God. It's just very easy to point out how we create Gods in the Judaic religions.
Look at the god in Genesis 1 compared to the god in Genesis 2. They are totally different, the former, younger god is overarching, extremely competent, creating by act or will alone with no hesitations, no revisions, but also aloof, separate, not interacting at all with the creation. The older latter god is quite different, very human, unsure, learning on the job, a hands on tinkerer, fearful, but also personal, interacting with the creation, directly and intimately involved.
A religion is a map, and like all maps it almost surely contains errors, omissions, areas where it is more accurate and areas where it is just plain wrong. It is a map, not the Territory.
With me so far?

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Message 129 of 299 (593847)
11-29-2010 9:13 PM
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11-29-2010 8:51 PM


Re: Pascal's remants
But none of those are related to what I posted.
If you live life, examine each act as though you will be judged based on that act, you will try to act right.

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Message 130 of 299 (593848)
11-29-2010 9:15 PM
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11-29-2010 9:10 PM


Re: Pascal's remants
I see no problems there.
The error when you look at 9-11 is thinking it was religiously based. The motive of the terrorist was to change US and Western policy, the same old motives as have always been present; power, money, land, respect.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 133 of 299 (593855)
11-29-2010 9:35 PM
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11-29-2010 9:18 PM


Re: ?
Club Christian is a very broad group.
I'm not at all sure that I could even describe the "Christian Faith" accurately, just struggle with my chapter.
A Map is only good when you constantly test it against the territory itself. Just because the Map says the bridge is there you cannot ignore the sign that says "Bridge out".
Personally I think one of the biggest problem with Christianity was the creation of a Bible. As soon as we made a list of which scrolls were in and which scrolls were out and mushed them all up together into one volume we lost the perspective that they really are just a collection of separate stories written by different people for different purposes at different time and meant for different audiences.
We limited GOD; put GOD in a box of our own making.
You mention of the slaughter of innocents is a great example. I always suggest looking at the stories in context. Often that changes the perspective.
Please understand, I am not in anyway trying to discourage your "deconversion". I think it can be a great thing, a wonderful learning experience. And I think most of the Gods Christianity markets should be thrown away. If there is a GOD, and I believe there is, it is certainly not the Christian God or a Hindu God or a Greek God or a Norse God; GOD will not be something we can accurately describe, box, label, limit, control.
I am a Christian most likely because quite honestly, I was born and raise within the Christian faith. It is MY path.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 134 of 299 (593857)
11-29-2010 9:38 PM
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11-29-2010 9:34 PM


Re: Pascal's remants
Then why are there pedophiliac preists?
Huh?
Why do any of us fail?
What does that have to do with what I pointed out?
I don't think I suggested that you should believe in anything.

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Message 136 of 299 (593860)
11-29-2010 9:46 PM
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11-29-2010 9:39 PM


Re: ?
You're still relatively new here and so I will point you to my Belief Statement thread found at Message 69.
I don't know if it will help but it will give some insight on my journey.

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Message 139 of 299 (593865)
11-29-2010 10:16 PM
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11-29-2010 10:07 PM


Re: Pascal's remants
Start a thread on the subject and I'll be glad to discuss it with you.

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Message 144 of 299 (593873)
11-29-2010 11:27 PM
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11-29-2010 11:19 PM


Re: Pascal's remants
Kinda.
We need to behave as though our behavior will be judged whether or not there really is a judge.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 150 of 299 (593889)
11-30-2010 9:06 AM
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11-30-2010 12:16 AM


Re: Pascal's remants
But we actually make more choices than just that one.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 151 of 299 (593890)
11-30-2010 9:10 AM
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11-30-2010 4:49 AM


Re: Pithyful...
Nonsense.
It is most certainly not the antithesis of the Gospel of Grace, unless you mean the shallow one taught by much of Christianity today.
If you start a thread on that subject I'd be happy to contribute, but it does not really seem on topic for this thread.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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