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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Melindoor writes: Rather, I think I just became less averse to being critical of myself and my religion. At some point the scales just fell from my eyes and I realized that I had no real reason to maintain my belief in God. There was only blind faith, and what good is faith when it could just as well be used to form the basis for any quack religion? Would you say the the god you believed in would applaud your decision (the God I believe in would, I think). In which case, (muted) congratulations are in order. -
For a while I existed in a state of limbo, not really sure what I believed, and fearful of the implications of either "belief". I am unfortunately predisposed to depression, and this didn't help. My existential crisis (for lack of a better word) caused more than a few sleepless nights. Only recently have I begun to feel more secure in my non-belief. I think my non-belief is more justified and subjectable to rational critique than my Christian faith ever was. Despite this, I still feel a tinge of cognitive dissonance whenever I'm around my very religious family. For some reason that I can't quite put a finger on, God almost feels more real to me when I'm surrounded by Christians. I really can't imagine what it must be like to be undergoing so great a shift in such a monumental area of life. My deconversion went the other way around and so the sudden exposure caused me to tremble with excitement and joy. This must be a far more sobering experience - although by many accounts it's something one can get used to. Rejoice in even. Phew..! Good luck in dealing with what might turn out to be painful aftershocks. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Melindoor writes: That's actually a very good question that I have asked myself on occasion. I don't think my motives for leaving the faith were by any means contrary to what the Bible teaches. All I did was apply reason to determine whether my beliefs were justifiable or not. Had I done the same in a conversion to Christianity, no Christian would have suggested I was doing it "for the wrong reasons". Indeed. You must in all instances head in the direction the evidence (or lack of it) points to. Another question for you then. Can I assume that the evidence you had during belief is the same evidence that you have now - and that you've come to critique that evidence in a different way. You may, to think of a common example, have taken things as true because you were told so by authority figures - but have now the ability to evaluate for yourself. -
The only choice I made was to be honest with myself about my lack of faith. I can't "choose" to believe anything without a reason. I have to be convinced first. I don't think a God whose mode of salvation centres around convincing the world of sin, righteousness and judgement would have much problem with that -
I imagine that if God is a good and loving god, He would be patient with my doubts and guide me back to the faith. That's what I hope at any rate, assuming that He really is there. Whether he would finally or not I'm not sure. But a good God would surely try. Edited by iano, : No reason given. Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Quite so. I think my belief in God was sustained mostly by my will to believe in God. This and a handful of religious experiences that I've had, and that I still can't fully explain, formed the basis for my faith. It helped to be immersed in Christian culture and to be part of a very religious extended family. With so many believers, it was easier to believe that they were onto something. Perhaps they were - but when it comes to an answer to the biggest question one could ever ask, hand-me-down faith couldn't (or shouldn't) be expected to cut it. You might find your your deconversion propagates cracks in others faith - if theirs is similiarily moored. Not that you shouldn't announce the situation of course.. -
But on the other hand, He did kind of overreact after a couple of nave naked people in a garden decided to taste a piece of fruit I thought the whole affair was an exercise in righteous ingenuity (on God's part). And don't quite see how they were naive in a way that matters. Perhaps after your GD with Buzz.. -
I would think so. So if I don't see God presenting some effort to restore my faith, I will either assume that He isn't there, or that He isn't good. Either way, not much point in worshiping Him. It would seem like the best way to use the brains God gave you
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
jar writes: We need to behave as though our behavior will be judged whether or not there really is a judge. The religious mindset distilled down to it's purest form - whether the mindset involved is theist or atheist. The very antithesis of the gospel of grace. Inspired! Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
jar writes: If you start a thread on that subject I'd be happy to contribute.. I prefer that discussions between ourselves remain limited to very specific, single issues where wiggle room is kept to the bare minimum - so I'll pass on the invite. Thanks..
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
jar writes: As long as you keep looking for answers to question as opposed to answers to questions, all will be okay. Beliefs, like life, evolve over time. The philosophy of the perpetual journey - never to arrive at a destination. Presumably this belief is subject to evolution?
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
A destination, a terminus, an end-of-the-line ... is necessarily an answer to a question. You tell us not to look for answers to questions.
abe: perhaps you didn't mean that but were encouraging that enquiry never cease (irrespective of the destination one might be enquiring about). Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Then clearly you can't consider yourself to have arrived at a destination.
Destination/terminus/end-of-line.
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
jar writes: I have arrived at a destination many times. The really nice thing about life is that tomorrow you can go on to a new destination. I thought as much. Which is why I suggested yours a
quote: ..in the sense of a destination being a final resting place. My question was whether this belief too was subject to evolution? -
If you enjoy playing silly word games then fine.. I do enjoy it - especially with you . When is a destination not a destination? In jar-speak, it's when it's a point on the way to somewhere.
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iano Member (Idle past 1962 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
jar writes: And when is an answer a destination? When someone decides to stop thinking. Hence my suggesting your position "the philosophy of the perpetual journey - never to arrive at a (final) destination". The question then was whether that belief too was subject to the claim that..
jar earlier writes: . Beliefs, like life, evolve over time. Or is your belief about destinations set in stone?
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