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anglagard
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Message 241 of 299 (595997)
12-12-2010 1:57 AM
Reply to: Message 238 by Taz
12-11-2010 3:15 PM


jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Taz writes:
I have yet met a christian that is unconditionally tolerant and loving. They always manage to find some subgroup to hate.
I guess meeting them on the forum is no comparison to meeting them in person. Is that your demand?

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture, because it seeks to turn other ideas - uncertainty, progress, change - into crimes.
Salman Rushdie
This rudderless world is not shaped by vague metaphysical forces. It is not God who kills the children. Not fate that butchers them or destiny that feeds them to the dogs. It’s us. Only us. - the character Rorschach in Watchmen

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xongsmith
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Message 242 of 299 (595998)
12-12-2010 1:59 AM
Reply to: Message 226 by Blue Jay
12-10-2010 10:45 AM


Re: Bluejay's Deconversion Story
Bluejay, in a wonderful post, particularly caught my attention with:
I became more and more convinced that it wasn't against my religion to believe in evolution
This is it in a nutshell (nwr - dont steal the shell!!!). For indeed, this is the process.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 243 of 299 (595999)
12-12-2010 2:02 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Taz
12-10-2010 11:19 AM


Taz writes:
Imagine the kind of sadism that brought god to do that to test Abraham's loyalty. That's the god that YOU PEOPLE worship.
WORD.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Kairyu
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Message 244 of 299 (596008)
12-12-2010 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 241 by anglagard
12-12-2010 1:57 AM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
I agree with you. I've met Christians, and was a Christian,who accepted everybody. I also met Christians who were a little bit more conservative, but they were very kind people regardless.
Some atheists should try to look more about the positive effects of believing. Even when some parts of the bible mean you don't like it, several other parts hold a good message. I dislike blind bashing. Not everything is black and white, even when anti-religion.

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Taz
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Message 245 of 299 (596035)
12-12-2010 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 241 by anglagard
12-12-2010 1:57 AM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Anglagard, let's face it. For all you know, I could be a 300 pound pedophile surfing to get my next 12 year old victim.
I'm not saying that all christians are represented by the christians I have met. I'm just saying that if there is a significant number of christians out there who are all tolerant and loving, I should have run into them long ago, considering the fact that almost all people my wife and I know plus everyone on both sides of our families are all christians.
I think I said this before. 2000 years of made up bullshit + 2000 years of intolerance = perpetual evil.
Now, the question that comes to mind is if christianity really is evil then how come it's still around and people don't see it as evil? The answer is very simple. Ever had a small crack in your bone? As it's healing, you constantly feel this ache in your shin. in fact, the small pain is so constant that you begin to feel it's normal to feel hurt a little every time you try to run or jog.
Added by edit.
I think I said this many times before and I'm going to say it again. A few years ago I attended a lecture by a kkk member about their movement. Right off the bat, someone raised his hand and asked that guy "are you a racist?" This kkk person denied left and right that he was racist.
We live in a world where it's no longer fashionable to say I'm intolerant of this group or I hate that group. Even the people who consistently vote against legalizing gay marriage will swear up and down they love gay people and "have gay friends". It's like me voting to sterilize all christians and then swear up and down that I "love all christians".
Of course a christian online or anywhere will not admit he hates certain group of people based on his faith. You gotta talk to them. Their intolerance will come out pretty quickly.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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ringo
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Message 246 of 299 (596039)
12-12-2010 1:57 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by Taz
12-12-2010 1:47 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Taz writes:
I'm just saying that if there is a significant number of christians out there who are all tolerant and loving, I should have run into them long ago....
Maybe you're running in the wrong circles.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Taz
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Message 247 of 299 (596040)
12-12-2010 1:58 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by Kairyu
12-12-2010 6:30 AM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
WSW24 writes:
I agree with you. I've met Christians, and was a Christian,who accepted everybody. I also met Christians who were a little bit more conservative, but they were very kind people regardless.
Every gay man will have a similar story to the one I'm about to tell you. It's a story about being invited to some kind of all loving church group. And then when the group is together, the pastor will say "god loves you, but..." and then you can imagine the rest.
I have no doubt that most christians are kind people. And in a way, I have no doubt that they believe they are kind for denying gay people certain rights like adopting children and getting married. They want to save those faggots from hell fire, or something like that.
And of course when they talk to you they will tell you that they are accepting of everybody. Next time you talk to them, don't let them stop there. Trust me, keep letting them talk and it will come out.
Some atheists should try to look more about the positive effects of believing. Even when some parts of the bible mean you don't like it, several other parts hold a good message. I dislike blind bashing. Not everything is black and white, even when anti-religion.
Right, so we should be tolerant of those who are intolerant?
Let me tell you this. I've always admired the nazis for one aspect of their society. They embraced healthiness. In fact, I think we should follow Japan's example and fine everyone who's obese. That said, the nazis did some pretty darn evil things. Am I expected to like them because they got a few good things and a train load of bad things?
It's about time that invisible man in the sky stop interfering with our lives.

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Taz
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Message 248 of 299 (596041)
12-12-2010 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by ringo
12-12-2010 1:57 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
ringo writes:
Maybe you're running in the wrong circles.
Tell that to the poll results. The fact of the matter is every time gay marriage has been put up for a vote it's been struck down by the majority. And polls have consistently shown that it's the christian communities who lobby and drive their members to the polls to vote no.
How would you feel if you have to go ask every person in your state if you could marry your spouse? I certainly wouldn't want anyone to tell me I couldn't marry my wife. I love her to death. If christians can go out and vote by the masses to take people's rights away, then please spare us the "we are all tolerant" bullshit. At least admit it like real honorable people.
Added by edit.
My state recently passed civil union. While I don't agree with separate but equal because I think it's bullshit, at least it's something. We still got a long way to go. Anyway, all the same conservatives and christians who just last year said they didn't want to redefine marriage but were ok with civil union are now screaming bloody murder.
Isn't it because they only said they were ok with civil union but didn't want to redefine marriage to be politically correct? And now that civil union actually passed they are now "wait a minute, we really meant we don't want any right for gay people. We were just saying the politically correct thing last year."
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 249 of 299 (596042)
12-12-2010 2:05 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Taz
12-12-2010 2:02 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
I'm sorry but once again Taz, who has claimed that all of any group are tolerant?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Taz
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Message 250 of 299 (596043)
12-12-2010 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 249 by jar
12-12-2010 2:05 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
jar writes:
I'm sorry but once again Taz, who has claimed that all of any group are tolerant?
Ok, I'll give you that, that there is no group of people with all its members all tolerant.
That said, if christianity really is about love and tolerance, there'd be more christians who honest to god love and tolerate than the numbers we are seeing today. Christians have had 2000 years to bring their numbers up.
If there really are more christians who are tolerant and loving, then there ought to be more christian communities campaigning against scam artists like peter popoff and benny hinn. Instead, we have seen absolutely zip from the christian communities. Turns out that pretty much everyone who's trying expose these frauds are atheists.
Fun fact, James Randi is a gay atheist.
And if there really are more christians who are all tolerant and loving, the poll results in those referandums regarding gay marriage and gay adoption should have had completely different results. Instead, we still have to rely on the courts to make it legal. This is a disgrace to any group of proclaims itself to be based on love and tolerance.
Added by edit.
Oh, and by the way, I can't remember the last time I saw a group who's campaigning for marriage equality that's christian.
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 251 of 299 (596044)
12-12-2010 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by Taz
12-12-2010 2:11 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Yup, likely you feel that way.
Enjoy.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Taz
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Message 252 of 299 (596046)
12-12-2010 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by jar
12-12-2010 2:13 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Hang on. You're not being fair.
Do you dispute the fact that gay rights issues in referandums have been consistently struck down by the christian population at large? Are you saying that when it comes to the polling places there's some kind of mind control machine that makes your all tolerant and loving christians to vote against their conscience?
I'm sorry, jar. I respect you as a man. That said, you should know by now that I point things out as is. I don't care much for political correctness. We can't win our fight for human rights if we continue to sugar coat reality.
Added by edit.
A Conservative Christian Case for Civil Same-Sex Marriage
There's an article by a conservative christian for gay marriage. Even he admits that most of his breathrens are against gay rights.
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jar
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Message 253 of 299 (596047)
12-12-2010 2:22 PM
Reply to: Message 252 by Taz
12-12-2010 2:19 PM


I'm not being fair?
Are you saying that when it comes to the polling places there's some kind of mind control machine that makes your all tolerant and loving christians to vote against their conscience?
Once again, I doubt that you can point to where I claimed that Christians were all tolerant and loving.
I'm sorry, jar. I respect you as a man. That said, you should know by now that I point things out as is. I don't care much for political correctness. We can't win our fight for human rights if we continue to sugar coat reality.
Whatever.
Edited by jar, : fix subtitle

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 254 of 299 (596051)
12-12-2010 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 248 by Taz
12-12-2010 2:02 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Taz writes:
The fact of the matter is every time gay marriage has been put up for a vote it's been struck down by the majority.
We have gay marriage in Canada.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Taz
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Message 255 of 299 (596052)
12-12-2010 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 254 by ringo
12-12-2010 3:01 PM


Re: jar? Purpledawn? Moose? GDR?
Another example of having to go the courts route to legalize gay marriage.

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