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Author Topic:   Are any of these prophecies fulfilled by Jesus?
ScottyDouglas
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Message 144 of 255 (662600)
05-17-2012 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
11-28-2010 1:16 PM


As you can see, What Isaiah is talking about is Jerusalem, and his audience is Judah, and it is the subject of Judah's future that is the big question.

YES YOU ARE RIGHT IT IS TALKING OF jUDAH AND THE jEWS, GODS PEOPLE.

The period was when Judah sided with Assyria and Syria in their conquest of Israel and Samaria and acted as an ally and almost vassal state. Isaiah was speaking encouraging Judah to change allegiance and oppose Assyria by an alliance with Egypt.

Yes. But it was also talking about the near and distant future of the Jews. Was they not captive in foreighn lands and peoples? Did they not have a land? Have they not been purged as no other nation still standing then and today?

So that is the setting.

Next, look to see if there is anything in the two verses that is really unique and so would be supported by Jesus or imply that Isaiah was even thinking of Jesus?

I THIS CHAPTER HE WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT JESUS SPECIFICALLY BUT ABOUT THE ENTIRE JEWISH NATION.

Well, not that I can see.

TRUE.NEITHER CAN I.

Let's look at ICDESIGN's claimed support of fulfillment?

i DO NOT SEE WHERE ANY FULFILLMENT OF JESUS? I DO SEE FULFILLMENT AND FULFILLMENT OF THE JEWS, WAS THEY NOT HEAVILY PUNISHED AND SCATTERED ACCROSS THE LAND AND PEOPLE. THEY WOULD NOT BE THEMSELVES AGAIN. THEY WOULD VIEWED AS NOT MEN. IS THIS NOT BEEN THE CASE? HAS NOT THE JEWS HAVE NO LAND FOR OVER 1900 YEARS? DID THEY NOT CAPTURE IT WITHOUT MONEY? DID THEY NOT SUFFER THE HOLOCAUST BECAUSE THEY WERE VIEWED AS NOT BEING MEN AND EQUAL? DIDNT THEY BY A ACT OF KINDNESS RECIEVE THIER LAND AGAIN? THIS BEING AGAINST THE NATURAL LAW. THEY WON THIER LAND BY BLOOD AND THIEFT. THEY FOUGHT. UN TOOK. I DONT SEE HOW WHAT ISIAH SPOKE IS NOT FULFILLED NOT ONLY IN ACIENT TIMES BUT AGAIN TODAY. ONLY IF ISRAEL IS TOOK AGAIN CAN IT NOT BE FULFILLED AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THIER COUNTRY AND ARE PROSPERING IT IS FULFILLED.

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Message 145 of 255 (662602)
05-17-2012 12:46 PM
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11-29-2010 1:02 PM


Re: Micah 5:2
2 “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah,
though you are small among the clans[1] of Judah,
out of you will come for me
one who will be ruler over Israel,
whose origins are from of old,
from ancient times.”

A RULER WILL COME FROM BETHLEHEM! HE WILL RULE OVER ISRAEL. THIS IS THE FULFILLED PART, JESUS WAS BORN IN BETHLEHEM.

If you look at Micah 5 (likely not even written by Micah) it is absolutely dealing with contemporary issues, looking for the Nation of Judah to stand up in support of the Nation of Israel against a specific threat at a specific time in history.

mICAH WAS TRYING TO INSPIRE THE PEOPLE OF THAT DAY NO DOUBT. BUT IT WAS ALSO THAT AND THE INSPIRATION TO MICAH WAS FROM GOD AND HE INVISIONED THE FUTURE WHEN JESUS COMES. HE IS THE FUTURE KING OF THE JEWS WHEN HE RETURNS AND WILL RULE FROM ONE END OF THE EARTH TO THE OTHER. IT PROCLAIMED HE WAS FROM JUDAH BORN IN BETHLEHEM.

So now let's look at the alleged fulfillment.

Nothing in that about a ruler and certainly nothing about the issue that Micah was addressing.

Once again, all that this prophecy seems to entail is taking stuff out of context and trying to shoehorn it into the Jesus mythos.

JESUS IS THE RULER BUT HE MUST BE SACRIFICED. WHEN HE RETURNS HE WILL BE KING. HE IS NOW BUT IS NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT.


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Message 147 of 255 (662604)
05-17-2012 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jar
11-29-2010 10:15 PM


Re: Genesis 49:10
Wow, it seems it is about the Twelve Tribes, where they will be located and what their characteristics will be.

And the support that this is a prophecy fulfilled by Jesus is?

A contrived genealogy.

iT IS A GENEOLOGY.

Judah, your brothers will praise you;
your hand will be on the neck of your enemies;
your father’s sons will bow down to you.
9 You are a lion’s cub, Judah;
you return from the prey, my son.
Like a lion he crouches and lies down,
like a lioness—who dares to rouse him?
10 The scepter will not depart from Judah,
nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet,
until he to whom it belongs shall come
and the obedience of the nations shall be his.
11 He will tether his donkey to a vine,
his colt to the choicest branch;
he will wash his garments in wine,
his robes in the blood of grapes.
12 His eyes will be darker than wine,
his teeth whiter than milk.

tHIS IS A DESCRIPTION OF THE KING OF JUDAH. KING OF THE JEWS. IN THE NEW TESTAMENT JESUS WAS CALLED THE LION OF JUDAH AN KING OF THE JEWS.
REV 5:5 LION OF JUDAH
MAT.MARK,LUKE,JOHN ALL CALL JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.


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Message 149 of 255 (662607)
05-17-2012 1:07 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by jar
11-30-2010 9:56 AM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
See, your king comes to you,
righteous and victorious,
lowly and riding on a donkey,
on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

KINDA AT END TALKING ABOUT IT. ILL TAKE THE OLD TESTAMENT VERSE AND SHOE NEW TESTAMENT FULFILLMENT.OK.TY.

1 As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples, 2 saying to them, “Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. 3 If anyone says anything to you, say that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away.”

IF IT TOOK PLACE IF THEY WAS TRYING TO LOOK TO FULFILL PROPHECY THEN THEY WOULD ACTUALLY DO IT, RIGHT?
IF THEY DID THEY FULFILL PROPHECY.POINT BLANK.


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Message 151 of 255 (662609)
05-17-2012 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by jar
05-17-2012 1:01 PM


Re: Genesis 49:10
YOU CAN TAKE SERIOUS OR NOT I ALREADY SEE THAT YOU DO NOT TAKE THE WORD SERIOUSLY. WHO SHOULD TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. MY WORDS ARE NOT FLAWED AT THE LEAST. DO NOT GET UPSET BECAUSE YOU REFUSE THE WORD AND MISQUOTE OR MARGINALIZE THE BOOK OF GOD. NO BOOK HAS COME CLOSE TO THE CONTRIVERSY AND LEGITMATCY OF THE BIBLE. YOU MUST DISPROVE IT, WHY? BECAUSE IF YOU DO NOT YOU CAN NOT DENY IT. YOU MUST FIND THE DENIAL. BUT THERE IS NONE, SO YOU MISQUOTE AND INTERPRET. GO GET A KGV IF YOU ARE GOING TO QUOTE ANYWAY. PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ITS BEEN WRITTEN SOME MANY TIMES THEN THEY QUOTE OUT OF NEW VERSIONS.
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Message 152 of 255 (662610)
05-17-2012 1:14 PM
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05-17-2012 1:08 PM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
HE HAS ALWAYS RULED OVER ISRAEL BUT I AGREE ANY CLAIMED PROPHECY THAT CLAIMS JESUS RULED ISRAEL IS YET FULFILLED PHYSICALLY. BY BLOOD HE WAS RULER AND RIGHTFUL KING OF THE JEWS. GO LOOK AT THE BRITISH ROYALTY THEY ARE HEIRS TO THE JEWISH THRONE AS WELL. IT IS BLOOD BY BLOOD JESUS IS KING OF JUDAH.
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Message 153 of 255 (662612)
05-17-2012 1:24 PM
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11-29-2010 4:15 PM


Re: Isaiah 7
KJV-R (Webster) Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

This is what was fulfilled.

Mat 1:18-25

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ScottyDouglas
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Message 158 of 255 (662617)
05-17-2012 1:36 PM
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05-17-2012 1:29 PM


Re: Genesis 49:10
Do not attempt to even suggest to know about the Bible when in fact you suggest it is a bunch of acient sheep herders who was unable to interpret what it was they exsperienced. You also made suggestions that new testament prophets and Jesus himself were liars and deceivers. How can you attempt to suggest that you someone who obv. believes in evolution and science can ever understand the Bible as well as a God believing constant Bible reading person? I read numerous version including learning Hebrew itself which is the true interpretation.
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Message 159 of 255 (662618)
05-17-2012 1:38 PM
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05-17-2012 1:35 PM


Re: Isaiah 7
In two different places, the prophet Jeremiah says in referring to the coming Messiah, “And this is His name by which He shall be called, JEHOVAH, OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS” (Jeremiah 23:5-6; 33:15-16).

No, Jesus' name was not Immanuel, but Jesus was the meaning of Immanuel, "God with us." Immanuel is one of the many titles for Jesus, a description of who He is.


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Message 161 of 255 (662620)
05-17-2012 1:42 PM
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05-17-2012 1:32 PM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Obv. you havent. You do not know what you are talking about! And oh BTW British royalty are heirs to the Jewish throne and you just do not know that! That is not my fault.
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ScottyDouglas
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Message 162 of 255 (662621)
05-17-2012 1:44 PM
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05-17-2012 1:41 PM


Re: Genesis 49:10
You are as ridicoulous as to say that men evolved from apes. Total horsesh*t
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Message 163 of 255 (662622)
05-17-2012 1:46 PM
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05-17-2012 1:41 PM


Re: Genesis 49:10
Do you know ahh... the original scripture was orally spoken!In Hebrew!
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Message 164 of 255 (662623)
05-17-2012 1:49 PM
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05-17-2012 1:32 PM


Re: Zechariah 9:9
Britians are crowned on King Davids Throne proving there that he was a actual King. They have on thier royal crest the harp of David. This claims that they are rightful heirs to the Jewish throne. The have thier ancestory that go back to King David, Jesus, Muhammad, and even Thor!
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Message 166 of 255 (662625)
05-17-2012 1:56 PM
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11-30-2010 12:04 PM


Re: Yet more quote mined verses.
Here I agree! That people use and believe false doctrine. Also I believe that some scripture are outside the Bible. That has and is happening!

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Message 168 of 255 (662628)
05-17-2012 2:07 PM
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05-17-2012 1:52 PM


Re: Isaiah 7
In the prophecy, Isaiah 7:14, the prophet said, "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call Him Immanuel." This prophecy refers to the birth of Jesus in Matthew 1:22-23, " The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel' which means, 'God with us.'" This does not mean, however, that the Messiah’s name would actually be Immanuel. There are many names given to Jesus using the phrase “He shall be called,” both in the Old and New Testaments. “His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). None of these titles was Jesus’ actual name, but these were descriptions people would use to refer to Him forever.
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