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lokiare Member (Idle past 2401 days) Posts: 69 Joined: |
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Yikes, bro. You are swimming upstream, but unlike a salmon, there is no payoff for your doing so. First, that the prophecy is at least about the Ahaz and son is not really questioned by anyone. That ought to at least make you question your reasoning. Christians typically insist on a dual prophecy. Others have explained why your reading is wrong based on the text. I'm just suggesting that your mistake was completely avoidable. Second of all, your reasoning amounts to 'Not about Ahaz's boy, therefore easily Jesus? Really? Would the form of that argument convince you if someone else used it about some other topic. For someone who prides himself on the ability to drop the names of fallacies, I find your reasoning here quite amusing.[qs] Actually I addressed that point. It can't be Ahaz's boy either because it would be 65 years before one of the kings fell, making Ahaz's boy an old man when it happened. It could as easily be a prophecy about Jesus as any other. Not more easy, just as easy. I find your inability to read what I write equally amusing. The fact you seem to read deeply into my writing things that aren't there should worry you.
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PaulK Member Posts: 16684 Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
quote: The context makes it rather clear which enemies are meant. And then there's the rest of the prophecy to consider. Why does everyone seem to ignore everything after verse 16 ?
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
It certainly doesn't make sense to interpret it as saying that the kings will be destroyed before the child is even born. It says the child is born, eats good stuff, and before he grows up the kings will be destroyed. It only makes sense that the child is born before the kings are destroyed. And its not an uncommon thing. Take a look at the next chapter: quote: Same deal. A kid will be born, but before he grows up X will happen. It doesn't make sense for that to be saying that it will happen before the kid is even born. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Well, it could be. You're biasly assuming that the prophecy actually came true. Maybe Isaiah was just wrong and it took longer than was thought.
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Theodoric Member (Idle past 70 days) Posts: 7051 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: |
So you expect us to read your sources, but ignore sources others present. YOu did not address my post you just poo pooed it. Classic and typical. You don't want to debate you want to preach.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Except that your dates are a bunch of hooey. Something like a decade passed between the prophecy, the dual attack and the killing of the kings. ABE: I have to question the tactic of proving that Jesus is the Messiah, by arguing that the Bible is actually wrong, and that it did not properly predict what happened to Ahaz. What kind of literal-inerrant Bible worshipper are you? extra ABE: I think you may be right about one of the kings not dying right away. But that just causes more problems for Bible literalists. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
You did not say "Just as easy". Here is what you actually said:
My reading is just fine. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Pressie Member (Idle past 10 days) Posts: 2087 From: Pretoria, SA Joined:
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As someone else once wrote on this forum (I can't remember who it was).
You created a straw man argument. You think that we all are ignorant or uinformed about geology. News to you, we have a few geologists on this forum. You insulting those tens of thousands of practicing geologists from all over the world is not doing you any favours. Will ignore the rest of your post. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Lokiare was not making a straw man argument. He was accusing us of having done so. His point was that you could use the Bible text to verify the text after using outside sources to confirm portions of the text. Just as you can use reference fossils to date layers But the analogy does not work. The rock aging method does work. But no matter how much time you spend counting Civil War cannon, you will never be able to verify that Rhett Butler told Scarlett, "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" using that kind of evidence. Gone with the Wind is still fiction. Just as the Illiad is still fiction regardless of whether Troy existed. Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Davidjay ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1080 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
If you have any questions on biblical prophecy, just ask. And I shall answer you accordingly.
IHS David This is the only sub-board I am allowed to post in, so let them fly.... this could be your last chance to get answers. Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given. Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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Davidjay ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 1080 days) Posts: 1026 From: B.C Canada Joined: |
You have no bible questions or prophecy questions, then stop your incessant whining that the Lord didn't give you enough evidence.
Excuse, excuse excuse..... drop it. Buck up, and take responsibility for your silence, you have the opportunity, ask. Jesus said Ask and Ye shall Receive. Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...
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AlexCaledin Member (Idle past 218 days) Posts: 63 From: Samara, Russia Joined: |
- but the evil adulterous generation shall not receive the sign because they are unable to start good relationship with God.
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ringo Member Posts: 18854 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.8
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Matthew 16: quote: Red sky, red sky. Same sign, different interpretation. ![]() An honest discussion is more of a peer review than a pep rally. My toughest critics here are the people who agree with me. -- ringo
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