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Author Topic:   Something BIG is coming! (AIG trying to build full sized ark)
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Message 46 of 261 (594984)
12-06-2010 2:13 AM


Well, it seems that quite a lot of people want to see the ark float.
http://www.arkvannoach.com/
This is a site of a man who is building it also full scale, and it is going to float, I'm not sure what materials is is using. Although I think I remember everything was going to be build out of wood.

And the Ark Encounter, is not only the ark. Its a complete themepark, I read this nowhere so I thought I might mention it. I see that some people are interested in the money/jobs it will create, these are the expectations:
900 permanent jobs in the themepark (it will be opened year round)
1,6 million visiters in the first year
14000 indirect jobs (restaurants/hotels etc)
214 million dollar impact on local economy in first year

The whole park will cost 150 million dollars, of which AiG will provide 24,5 million.
The park will be build eco friendly.

They are indeed going to build the ark all out of wood, but on land. In the pressconference (which you can see on YouTube or on their site) they say it will be able to float, although they wont do that (see the first lines of my post).
I dont completely see why you all are doubting the ark can be build? It has already been designed, no offence, but I do think that naval engineers know better then you do (yes, naval engineers designed it).
A lot of questions I read are answered in that pressconference, so I can recommend it to you!


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Message 48 of 261 (595084)
12-06-2010 1:30 PM
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12-06-2010 2:13 AM


It seems like I remembered wrongly, my fault.

But Arkencounter.com seems not to agree with your second line:
"Yes, we are constructing a full-scale, all-wood ark based on the dimensions provided in the Bible (Genesis 6), using the long cubit, and in accordance with sound established nautical engineering practices of the era. It should become the largest timber-frame structure in the USA."

But discussing this seems a bit useless IMO, I think all we can do is wait.
A

*edit* and it seems I pushed the wrong "reply" buttom...

Edited by PrinceGhaldir, : No reason given.


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Message 55 of 261 (595248)
12-07-2010 4:54 PM
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Re: The humor continues.
quote:
quote:
"Yes, we are constructing a full-scale, all-wood ark based on the dimensions provided in the Bible (Genesis 6), using the long cubit, and in accordance with sound established nautical engineering practices of the era. It should become the largest timber-frame structure in the USA."

Am I the only one that absolutely spit coffee (a really nice Brazilian at that) all over my keyboard when I read the bolded part?


Could you explain?


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Message 57 of 261 (595270)
12-07-2010 6:17 PM
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Re: The humor continues.
Aha, that way.
I dont drink coffee, so I've got no idea what it is...XD

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Message 64 of 261 (595558)
12-09-2010 10:34 AM


Well, it seems that quite a lot of people want to see the ark float.

Well, that's because it's easy to see AiG building this and then claiming that they have somehow proved the ark to be feasible. If they don't float it, they have proved no such thing.

I guess theoraticaly it would float, and I guess every evolutionist around here would thrust scientists. How many boats have been build, only to sink in water?

The whole park will cost 150 million dollars, of which AiG will provide 24,5 million.

How about the profits? Where do they go?

I will just quote the website to avoid wrong interpretations:
"A private Limited Liability Company (LLC) will own the Ark Encounter. A non-profit subsidiary of Answers in Genesis will be one of the members of the LLC and will also be the managing member responsible for day-to-day operations."
and
"In a sense, the Ark Encounter is both a for-profit and not-for-profit endeavor. The Ark Encounter is a for-profit operation but is managed by a non-profit subsidiary ministry of Answers in Genesis. The LLC and its members will be responsible for all of the normal taxes required for pass-through business entities."

The park will be build eco friendly.

In my opinion, building a 150 million dollar white elephant could never be eco friendly. The whole project is a massive waste of resources. Where are they going to source their "Gopher wood"? Is that a hardwood? Hard to see how that could be considered green.

They are using other woods IIRC, it is mentioned in the press conference.
Quote from Arkencounter.com:
"Yes. The Troyer Group in Mishawaka, Indiana heads our construction management team. It has one of the largest LEED certified (Leaders in Energy and Environmental Design) staffs in the Midwest. We intend to integrate solar panels along with passive solar, geothermal, water, and wind technologies into our mechanical systems, as well as some other innovative and sustainable technologies to maintain good stewardship during construction and for long-term operations.

We plan to use as many local companies and locally manufactured products as possible in order to maximize efficiency while also enhancing the local economy."

In the pressconference (which you can see on YouTube or on their site) they say it will be able to float, although they wont do that

That is exactly the sort of claim that people are objecting to. So AiG thinks it will float? Then float it! Not going to float it? Then don't claim it floats! If AiG want to claim that their silly boat is seaworthy, they have to send it out to sea. Anything else falls into the category of "Making Shit Up".

I mean, if I built a rocket in my back yard and claimed that it could take me all the way to Mars, wouldn't you want to see me go to Mars? Or would you just take my word for it?

I would certainly take calculations for it, if your rocket would fly to Mars according to your calculations (which I checked). I would certainly believe you.

I dont completely see why you all are doubting the ark can be build?

Because it's frickin' huge! The ark dwarfs any contemporaneous vessel. Even much later, much more sophisticated ships couldn't match that size. It's simply too big to hold together on the water, let alone in the cruel waters of the flud.

The tower in Dubai is also "frickin' huge", and it still stands because of a few(/sarcasm) calculations. Why wouldn't the ark?

It has already been designed, no offence, but I do think that naval engineers know better then you do (yes, naval engineers designed it).

Did they have naval engineers in the Bronze Age? I don't think they did...

Since when does the evolutionary timescale count for biblical stories?

Of course, if you're going to fall back on that line of reasoning, then geologists tell us that there never was a global flood, so no need for any ark. It simply never existed. I do think that geologists know better than you do, eh?

And other geologists say there was a global flood. And I cant find scientists say the Ark cant be build...


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Message 72 of 261 (595611)
12-09-2010 1:30 PM
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12-09-2010 1:07 PM


I guess every evolutionist around here would thrust scientists.

Nope. Not a single one of us here would blindly trust anything that any scientists says. Most of us would believe the results of several different tests that all came up with the same results independently, unless those results were at odds with what we otherwise know to be true.

Problem is we dont have "several different tests", so where should we look at next?

Of course, here, we don't even have the result of one test, just your unsupported assumption that someone who had something to do with this might know something about boat building, and the bible said it happened, so this will float.

Certainly you could have watched the press conference, where officials will say the same thing. Not really unsupported.
And I can't remember me saying that it can float because it does in the bible. Where did that statement come from?


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Message 75 of 261 (595901)
12-11-2010 7:08 AM
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12-09-2010 1:39 PM


If the only reason to believe it would float is because the scam artists and liars who are building it say it would, not only is that unsupported, it's actually reason to affirmatively believe that it won't.

Could you explain why you call them liars?


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Message 77 of 261 (595925)
12-11-2010 10:35 AM
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12-11-2010 8:01 AM


Could you explain why you call them liars?

Because they lie about facts to support their religious beliefs.

Just like you?


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