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Author Topic:   Something BIG is coming! (AIG trying to build full sized ark)
Chuck77
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Message 218 of 261 (632164)
09-06-2011 6:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by AlphaOmegakid
12-02-2010 7:06 PM


Not seeing is believing
AlphaOmegakid writes:

$150M investment in theme park featuring Noahs ark in life size replication as well as a complete biblical theme park.

That sure is a lot. Much more than what Noah actually had to spend

It would be neat to see them construct it and try to go about like noah did without using the modern technology we have to day.

It would be like trying to re-contruct the Great Pyramid.

Take this article for instance:

Let's pause from our tour for a moment's rest and reflection. Whoever built the Pyramid used a technologly that we still do not possess today to cut, move, and cement stones. Whoever built it also had some knowledge of the Earth, because it was built in the right spot-one of the few places that would support such a great weight. The builder also knew where the greatest land mass of the Earth was in both the North-South and East-West directions.
Amazing. But we had better keep going. And joining us on the leg of our tour will be none other than Sir Issac Newton...

http://www.europa.com/~edge/pyramid.html

If the Great pyramid was not there today but only written about, it too no doubt would be viewed as a "myth".

Not being able to reconstruct something or imagine it's dimensions as unprobable certainly does not make it make believe by any stretch as witnessed by the Great pyramid.

From the same article:

Only a solid stone mountain could endure the Pyramid's immense weight. And indeed, a flat solid granite mountain happens to be located just beneath the surface of the ground directly under the Pyramid.
It is built to face true North.
The Pyramid is located at the exact center of the Earth's land mass. That is, its East-West axis corresponds to the longest land parallel across the Earth, passing through Africa, Asia, and America. Similarly, the longest land meridian on Earth, through Asia, Africa, Europa, and Antarctica, also passes right through the Pyramid. Since the Earth has enough land area to provide 3 billion possible building sites for the Pyramid, the odds of it's having been built where it is are 1 in 3 billion

We know from geometry that there is a universal relationship between the diameter of a circle and its circumference. Consider this: The height of the Pyramid's apex is 5,812.98 inches, and each side is 9,131 inches from corner to corner (in a straight line). If the circumference of the Pyramid is divided by twice its height (the diameter of a circle is twice the radius), the result is 3.14159, which just happens to be pi. Incredibly, this calculation is accurate to six digits. So the Pyramid is a square circle, and thus pi was designed into it 4,600 years ago. Pi is demonstrated many times throughout the Pyramid.

Other numbers are also repeated throughout. Each of the Pyramids four walls, when measured as a straight line, are 9,131 inches, for a total of 36,524 inches. At first glance, this number may not seem significant, but move the decimal point over and you get 365.24. Modern science has shown us that the exact length of the solar year is 365.24 days.
All of the evidence in the Great Pyramid shows that 4,600 years ago somebody knew a great deal about the Earth. But it gets better, much better:
The average height of land above sea level (Miami being low and the Himalayas being high), as can be measured only by modern-day satellites and computers, happens to be 5,449 inches. That is the exact height of the Pyramid.

All four sides of the Pyramid are very slightly and evenly bowed in, or concave. This effect, which cannot be detected by looking at the Pyramid from the ground, was discovered around 1940 by a pilot taking aerial photos to check certain measurements. As measured by today's laser instruments, all of these perfectly cut and intentionally bowed stone blocks duplicate exactly the curvature of the earth. The radius of this bow is equal to the radius of the Earth. This radius of curvature is what Newton had long been seeking.

That's just some of the highlights of the article. If anything this gives the probablility of the Ark existing as much as the Great pyramids existance.

The only difference being you can see the Great pyramid (seeing is believing for the skeptic) and only see what is written about the Ark.


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Chuck77
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Message 226 of 261 (632286)
09-06-2011 8:26 PM


Just a comparison
From wiki:
The first precision measurements of the pyramid were done by Egyptologist Sir Flinders Petrie in 1880–82 and published as The Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh.[5] Almost all reports are based on his measurements. Many of the casing stones and inner chamber blocks of the Great Pyramid were fit together with extremely high precision. Based on measurements taken on the north eastern casing stones, the mean opening of the joints is only 0.5 millimetres wide (1/50th of an inch).

The accuracy of the pyramid's workmanship is such that the four sides of the base have an average error of only 58 millimetres in length.[8] The base is horizontal and flat to within 21 mm.[9] The sides of the square base are closely aligned to the four cardinal compass points (within 4 minutes of arc)[10] based on true north, not magnetic north,[11] and the finished base was squared to a mean corner error of only 12 seconds of arc.[12] The completed design dimensions, as suggested by Petrie's survey and subsequent studies, are estimated to have originally been 280 cubits high by 440 cubits long at each of the four sides of its base. The ratio of the perimeter to height of 1760/280 cubits equates to 2ð to an accuracy of better than 0.05% (corresponding to the well-known approximation of ð as 22/7). Some Egyptologists consider this to have been the result of deliberate design proportion. Verner wrote, "We can conclude that although the ancient Egyptians could not precisely define the value of ð, in practice they used it".[13] Petrie, author of Pyramids and Temples of Gizeh concluded: "but these relations of areas and of circular ratio are so systematic that we should grant that they were in the builder's design".[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

Im not trying to debate the Great pyramid here at all. Im simply saying it's so great an accomplishment that no one would believe they built it back when they did if it wasn't still there and only documented in few texts.

Why are people having a hard time understanding the comparison?

Some say the Great pyramid is in the bible too.

“In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof... And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt.” —Isaiah 19:19-20

That is from this link http://www.biblestudents.com/endtimesarchives_sum99.cfm

There is more but this isn't about the GP, only to show that when it comes to the Bible no matter what, it's denied but things we can see, are not.


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Chuck77
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Message 229 of 261 (632415)
09-08-2011 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by PaulK
09-07-2011 2:27 AM


Re: Just a comparison
Well, it's really all I know about the GP. I did a few quick searches and came up with these articles. Im not sure about ALL the exact information in them of course, I just know it's an amazing feat what was accomplished. That really is my point, not that the GP is in line with the universe blah blah...

The wiki article is probably more correct than most, as is always the case with wiki

Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.


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Chuck77
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Message 230 of 261 (632416)
09-08-2011 12:16 AM
Reply to: Message 227 by Dr Adequate
09-06-2011 11:12 PM


Re: Just a comparison
Maybe, though, there's a sort of lesson to be learned here about not citing articles that are completely wrong.

Im not sure how accurate the articles were on the GP. I'll have to do more research on them, but my comparison wasn't meant to mislead. I did a few searcxhes and a lot of the info on the GP is the same.

My point was it was a great accomplishment.

When I'm told a story which, according to all reason couldn't happen, and which according to all the evidence didn't happen,

LOL. What evidence says the Ark was never built? Nor ever floated?


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Chuck77
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Message 233 of 261 (632439)
09-08-2011 2:37 AM
Reply to: Message 231 by PaulK
09-08-2011 1:27 AM


Re: Just a comparison
PaulK writes:

and Art Bell is a purveyor of nonsense, so the fact that the article came from his publication should be a big red flag.

My goodness, im an idiot and will take my lumps. What else can I do. I had no idea it was a publication from Art Bell.

I made a mistake.

Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.


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Chuck77
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Message 234 of 261 (632440)
09-08-2011 2:40 AM
Reply to: Message 232 by Dr Adequate
09-08-2011 1:34 AM


Re: Just a comparison
Dr A writes:

This is because misinformation gets passed around from crank to crank without them checking it. Kind of like creationist arguments ...

Yeah, I am noticing this. That's why I said I need to become a geologist myself.

There is SO much info on the GP. A lot of it references pii etc etc...some of it has to be true. Can you provide a link to an accurate site for it?

Or is there a thread already that talks about it? Maybe we can go there and discuss it?


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Chuck77
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Message 241 of 261 (632904)
09-11-2011 4:41 AM
Reply to: Message 239 by DubyaDeeEm
09-10-2011 6:18 PM


Re: Not seeing is believing
DubyaDeeEm writes:

However I believe Chuck's point is that you can't use the fact that some think men in Noah's day didn't have the technological know-how to build the boat he built with the dimensions and requirements he had to adhere to to rule out its existence, since the pyramids show the use, thousands of years ago, of technology and geological understanding which is likely beyond that of modern man.

Yes Dubya, that was exactly my point. Thank you for noticing it. Apperantly no one else did.


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