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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
Jon
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Message 38 of 1043 (595373)
12-08-2010 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by arachnophilia
12-07-2010 5:29 PM


Re: Whine & Cheese
I do not think taking action against a member solely on account of their (mis)use of English writing conventions is appropriate. That said, I am not convinced of the argument that all lowercase is easier to read for the simple fact that most members here have been brought up and are literate in the English capitalization convention tradition, and so are more comfortable reading within that tradition.

I feel that capitalization, like punctuation, is a reading cue that helps us find and keep our place in a text by marking certain references and transitions (important names and beginnings of sentences). Some conventions are merely arbitrary, I agree (capitalized first person singular pronoun I, for example), but many do have a legitimate purpose. In fact, I find that the text you quoted is easiest to read using English capitalization conventions, an example you didn't provide.

A 'properly-capped' post, unlike a properly-capped well, flows more easily for me. Content being equal, I'd find a post using English capitalization conventions more easy to understand than one which did not. However, I'd rather a good-content, no-cap post than a poor-content, capped post, so banning a brilliant person like yourself on account of not using capitals is just silly. You're worth reading regardless.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 39 of 1043 (595374)
12-08-2010 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by Rrhain
12-08-2010 3:10 AM


The deep red rose I see its thorn I just ignore the scent that's borne to me it's nothing I implore those scratches that I got before I just complain about the pain a lot I think of beauty's gain.

Well, what's that poem mean? Is it this?

The deep red rose I see
Its thorn I just ignore
The scent that's borne to me
It's nothing I deplore
Those scratches that I got
Before I just complain
About the pain a lot
I think of beauty's gain

Or is it this:

The deep red rose, I see its thorn
I just ignore the scent that's borne
To me, it's nothing. I implore
Those scratches that I got before
I just complain about the pain
A lot I think of beauty's gain

There's a reason you use convention. This is an extreme case, yes, but it makes the point.

Poetry is an oral art; its understanding should not depend on how it is written on the page. If it does, then it just isn't that good of poetry. (By the way, line 4 of your first rendition has an error.)

Jon


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Jon
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Message 65 of 1043 (595666)
12-09-2010 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by crashfrog
12-09-2010 2:17 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
No style guide since the age of typewriters has specified "period space space capital" formatting, because modern computers kern text - that is, they adjust the space between letters to compensate for the relative visual width of letters. In the age of typewriters "period space space capital" formatting was preferred because the text was monospaced and unkerned, so there was less visual density of text and therefore less apparent space between sentences.

"The Mac is not a Typewriter" is, of course, best-selling author and editor Robin Williams's cri de coeur against obsolete style guides misapplied to computers, and he spends most of it railing against "period space space capital" formatting, and he's absolutely right - unless you're reading this on your old IBM Selectric, somehow, you shouldn't be doing it under any circumstances.

I always double space after sentences—always.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 67 of 1043 (595668)
12-09-2010 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Admin
12-09-2010 3:51 PM


Re: Whine & Cheese
However, a message is text, and all single quotes in message text are escaped, so the actual query becomes:

insert into messages values (..., '\');DROP TARLE users;', ...);

Is this why when I do a PNT, the ' in my signature becomes '\ (or maybe it's \')? When I enter Edit mode and then Submit (even without making any actual changes to anything), it goes back to normal...

It only seems to happen in PNTs.

Jon


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Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr

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Jon
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Message 68 of 1043 (595669)
12-09-2010 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by crashfrog
12-09-2010 7:30 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
In any other context where you're producing printed material on a computer, you shouldn't be.

Why shouldn't I be?

Jon


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Jon
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Message 72 of 1043 (595674)
12-09-2010 7:59 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by crashfrog
12-09-2010 7:35 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
UR DOIN IT RONG

Why is it rong? Why is your method wright?

Jon


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Jon
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Message 74 of 1043 (595676)
12-09-2010 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by arachnophilia
12-09-2010 8:06 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
I use a typewriter quite often. Not always with a Courier-esque font; but they are always monospaced (naturally). But that's not why I use double-spaces after sentences.

Now what I really hate are lining figures. Yuck.

Jon


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Jon
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Message 611 of 1043 (669894)
08-05-2012 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 610 by NoNukes
08-05-2012 11:54 AM


Re: It's pretty clear why.
The jeer button is the one on the right.

Thanks. I would have otherwise missed it.


Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 791 of 1043 (756178)
04-15-2015 8:30 PM


Counting Blessings...
The temporary suspension feature is something I'm not familiar with on any other forum.

It's a pretty nice compromise between issuing endless warnings and implementing a permanent ban.

Twenty-four hours is pretty mild. Many have been suspended for less.


Love your enemies!

  
Jon
Inactive Member


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Message 809 of 1043 (761492)
07-01-2015 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 808 by Thugpreacha
07-01-2015 6:22 PM


Re: Goodbye Suzanne
All I can say to those of you who insist upon logic, reason, and reality is that I will defend any new member no matter how illogical they are even in the science forums as long as they understand that they will be challenged by all of you and not to take it personally.

Even when they break forum rules, ignore moderator requests, and show no signs whatsoever of wanting an actual discussion?


Love your enemies!

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Jon
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Message 830 of 1043 (774749)
12-21-2015 11:35 PM


Talking Honest - Not Allowed?
What gives?

Can we not speak honestly here anymore?

Sometimes there's just nothing nice to say about someone.

If Admin would prefer, I can move it to a different/new thread, though.

But it deserves to be known just what kind of a sick piece of shit Muhammad was.

Edited by Jon, : No reason given.


Love your enemies!

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Jon
Inactive Member


Message 833 of 1043 (774810)
12-23-2015 4:28 AM
Reply to: Message 832 by New Cat's Eye
12-22-2015 6:34 PM


Re: Talking Honest - Not Allowed?
I'm just sayin'... you're a guest here.

And I'm fine abiding by Admin's rules.

I just can't wrap my head around the reaction to my simple and true statements regarding Muhammad. Sure, it might have been off-topic. But 'grenade tossing'? Lack of 'civility'? C'mon... this is Muhammad we're talking about!

Are we allowed to openly and honestly discuss this 'bad man' anywhere on the forum?


Love your enemies!

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