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Author Topic:   General Discussion Of Moderation Procedures (aka 'The Whine List')
crashfrog
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Message 19 of 1043 (595052)
12-06-2010 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Omnivorous
12-06-2010 11:55 AM


D00d, it's M00se
You guys know we're talking about Moose, right? A wise man once said "the reign (of Moose) falls on the just and unjust alike." Arach is just lucky that his suspension came with a stated reason.
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crashfrog
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Message 55 of 1043 (595628)
12-09-2010 2:04 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Admin
12-09-2010 1:35 PM


Re: Whine & Cheese
That's because I pass all message text through an HTML parser that uses a white list of safe tags. All tags not on the white list disappear.

That seems like a potential avenue for an SQL injection attack via arguments to white-listed tags. Or do you have a white list of permissible SQL commands, too?


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crashfrog
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Message 56 of 1043 (595632)
12-09-2010 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by bluegenes
12-09-2010 1:26 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
The MLA Guide says that "the research paper must be double-spaced," including quotations, notes, and the list of works cited. They want period, space, space, capital.

That's not "double-spaced." Double-spaced means "double spacing between lines of text", and the reason that its specified in the MLA Guide (and generally by anyone else accepting manuscripts) is to provide enough space to make proofreading marks. Manuscripts, after all, are completely reset for printing so there would be no reason to expect submitting authors to make concessions to the format of the finished material. Anything you're asking a submitting author to do is for the benefit of proofreaders and editors.

No style guide since the age of typewriters has specified "period space space capital" formatting, because modern computers kern text - that is, they adjust the space between letters to compensate for the relative visual width of letters. In the age of typewriters "period space space capital" formatting was preferred because the text was monospaced and unkerned, so there was less visual density of text and therefore less apparent space between sentences.

"The Mac is not a Typewriter" is, of course, best-selling author and editor Robin Williams's cri de coeur against obsolete style guides misapplied to computers, and he spends most of it railing against "period space space capital" formatting, and he's absolutely right - unless you're reading this on your old IBM Selectric, somehow, you shouldn't be doing it under any circumstances.


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crashfrog
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Message 58 of 1043 (595638)
12-09-2010 2:40 PM
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12-09-2010 2:26 PM


Re: Whine & Cheese
Can you provide an example of what you're talking about?

<img src="');DR_P TABLE 'users'; SELECT * FROM 'userinfo'; ">

Underscore for safety's sake.


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crashfrog
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Message 60 of 1043 (595644)
12-09-2010 3:13 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by bluegenes
12-09-2010 2:50 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
But my basic point holds, really, because that whole issue was about the clarity of the demarcation between sentences, and that's the practical problem that I'm claiming is the main reason for capitalization on boards like this one.

Yes, you're quite right. There's a lot of posters that I simply can't help but give short shrift to because of how they construct messages - either too many short single-line sentences, each with their own ideas that don't flow together; or monolithic blocks of text with no room for breath. My brain simply says "ugh, nothing here is going to be worth the work" and I skip over.

But ultimately I think it's more about the flow of ideas than strict formatting rules. But making an effort to mimic established rules of style - quote only relevant text, organized in paragraphs between two and 5 sentences and clearly delimited, avoid overuse of jargon, use variety in sentence structure - adhering to these won't make your ideas any better, but the effort to do so might, by accident, get you to express your ideas more clearly and flow between them more smoothly.


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crashfrog
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Message 63 of 1043 (595649)
12-09-2010 4:09 PM
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12-09-2010 3:51 PM


Re: Whine & Cheese
Sure.

Like, I don't ask because I think you haven't taken measures, I ask because I'm curious, and somewhat of a (poor) programmer myself. And I guess I could try to find out by trying these hacks myself but if any of them worked I'd have destroyed EvC Forum. (That, of course, overestimates my hacking abilities to a significant extent.)

Of course, maybe you don't want to openly discuss the nuts and bolts of site security? Maybe I'll just let it go.


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crashfrog
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Message 66 of 1043 (595667)
12-09-2010 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Jon
12-09-2010 7:26 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
I always double space after sentences—always.

HTML strips out extra whitespace, so here it doesn't matter. In any other context where you're producing printed material on a computer, you shouldn't be.

Don't misapply obsolete styles.


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crashfrog
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Message 69 of 1043 (595670)
12-09-2010 7:35 PM
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12-09-2010 7:31 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
Why shouldn't I be?

UR DOIN IT RONG


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crashfrog
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Message 71 of 1043 (595672)
12-09-2010 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by nwr
12-09-2010 7:37 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
When I'm using a plain text editor in a command line window, the two spaces at the end of a sentence still look better.

Right, but that's a monospaced font, which is exactly when you should do it.

Unless Jon is writing papers in Courier, though, he shouldn't use two spaces after periods.


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crashfrog
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Message 76 of 1043 (595679)
12-09-2010 8:46 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by arachnophilia
12-09-2010 8:06 PM


Re: Where are all the arachs?
i have also had at least one teacher at some point when i was in school who insisted on "period space space capital" which i only remember because i thought it was absurd at the time.

It's like the people who insist that you can't end a sentence with a preposition, or split an infinitive verb. They heard a rule, but they don't understand the rule, so they don't understand its context or scope.


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crashfrog
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Message 78 of 1043 (595701)
12-10-2010 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Admin
12-09-2010 11:38 PM


Re: Whine & Cheese
And you're filtering everything? Username and password fields?
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crashfrog
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Message 89 of 1043 (596408)
12-14-2010 6:25 PM


I wonder if Purpledawn could provide examples of this:

I've noticed that sometimes you misconstrue an opponents position and are unwilling to adjust when corrected.

To my knowledge I've not ever been censured, suspended, or even warned about Rule 8 violations, though many times have I attempted to bring such violations to the attention of the moderators. I've certainly been accused of such violations but almost always by individuals who are themselves misrepresenting my position (Holmes/Silent H, for instance.)

Where people have genuinely contributed to misunderstanding by having misspoke, I've not ever held them to their misstated positions. Rrhain drops his negative modifiers, for instance, and I've not ever held that against him. It would be stupid to; you can almost always tell from the context when someone's done that.


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crashfrog
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Message 91 of 1043 (596713)
12-16-2010 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by purpledawn
12-16-2010 6:53 AM


Re: Great Debate
Politely, no. This is not the subject on which I want to pop my Great Debate cherry.
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crashfrog
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Message 109 of 1043 (608954)
03-15-2011 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by AZPaul3
03-15-2011 1:25 PM


From the AZPaul3 files of "How to respond to criticisms of moderator behavior"
Moose, this latest suspension of Jar is just plain wrong.
You know I love you, Moose, so please take this as constructive.

quote:
You have a hard-on for the moderation style on this forum, don't you? They didn't react the way you think they should. You see the near unanimity of the moderators' opinions against you as some kind of conspiracy. That's fine. You are entitled to your opinion.

I'm not looking forward to your inevitable suspension, AZPaul, but you need to understand that's the consequence for respectfully, constructively criticizing moderator actions.


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crashfrog
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Message 139 of 1043 (620889)
06-21-2011 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by AZPaul3
06-21-2011 1:12 PM


Re: Fidelity
Don't you know how it works around here?

Moose did it; therefore, by definition, it was the right thing to do.


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