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NoNukes
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Message 337 of 1043 (645977)
01-01-2012 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 335 by nwr
01-01-2012 1:16 AM


I'm not saying that I support the suspension. I'm just disagreeing with your comparison and refraining from second guessing the moderation.

I was a bit surprised to see the suspension, in part because Buzsaw's response was at least as on topic as my message to which Buz responded.

I am still unclear about what discussion AdminPD believes should not have continued. I thought pretty carefully about exactly that question before I decided that PD's warning did not apply to Buzsaw's, original, fairly ridiculous message. In hindsight I realize that responding to any of the Buz's messages is counterproductive. I'll avoid that mistake in the future.

By the way, the most productive, least troublesome, most civic minded, and respected people on earth are U.S. Naval Academy alumni and alumnae.


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NoNukes
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Message 380 of 1043 (648594)
01-16-2012 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 372 by Pressie
01-06-2012 7:03 AM


Re: Buzsaw's Alleged Racism
Are Indians classified as "black" by your definition? And don't even think of China.

At one point in our history, white people were allowed to immigrate here with essentially no restrictions. According to one particularly funky SC decision, people of Indian descent were considered white for essentially all purposes except immigration.

Edited by AdminModulous, : content hidden. Let's keep this on Moderation related whines and the like, thanks.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. The proper place to-day, the only place which Massachusetts has provided for her freer and less desponding spirits, is in her prisons, to be put out and locked out of the State by her own act, as they have already put themselves out by their principles. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

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NoNukes
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Message 426 of 1043 (662953)
05-20-2012 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 423 by crashfrog
05-20-2012 2:08 PM


Re: Buz's Occam's Razor topic
Obviously Buz is going to act like his thread was such a masterpiece that we had no choice but to suppress it

So what? Who cares what Buz claims? The truth of the matter is that Buzsaw's thread was garbage. Buzsaw demonstrated in just a few posts that he had no idea what Occam's razor is, or how to apply it.

Further, he was ALREADY banned from the science forums for exactly the behavior on display here. The thread was quickly turning into a request for evidence followed by Buz's insistence that his posting history contained 8 years worth of evidence that he refuses to cite.

Finally, this thread belongs in the science forums. Buzsaw started it here as an attempt to side step his banning.

Still, I understand your point regarding appearances. But you will never be able to correct Buzsaw's misunderstandings. Ever.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 428 of 1043 (662970)
05-20-2012 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 427 by crashfrog
05-20-2012 2:52 PM


Re: Buz's Occam's Razor topic
NoNukes writes:

So what? Who cares what Buz claims?


crashfrog writes:

We've all identified it as a problem that creationist participation is so poor around here.

IMO, the solution is not to make the forums Buzsaw more friendly. He is banned from the science forums for a reason. I would not have banned him, but I understand why it was done. Given the ban, the Occam's razor topic was a direct flouting of the rules. It is the kind of action that merits a permanent ban.

He's still here, he's still talking. While that's true there's always a chance he could learn.

No there is not. Buzsaw's refusal to learn is willful. If you think that he can learn, then what do you think is preventing him from complying with Percy's conditions for full reconciliation?

And evolutionist participants who can't possibly imagine how creationists - or even the often-forgotten "on the fence" lurkers - might see things differently should hold their tongues.

Who might that remark apply to? Surely you aren't suggesting that people who disagree with you should shut up.

I understand that Percy could make the board more attractive to creationists by exempting them all from the rules of engagement. I think that is the wrong answer.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 430 of 1043 (662981)
05-20-2012 8:03 PM
Reply to: Message 429 by crashfrog
05-20-2012 7:54 PM


Re: Buz's Occam's Razor topic
hen you've completely missed my point, which is that Percy could make the board more attractive to creationists by not singling them out for mistreatment.

I haven't missed your point at all. I just disagree with it. I believe that Buzsaw has singled himself out. Buzsaw has earned his treatment in the science forums by his own refusal to supply evidenced based logical argument for most of a decade.

Every science based thread that I've seen him participate in turns immediately to crap, and the reasons are not, in my opinion, the fault of the people asking Buzsaw to support his silly assertions with evidence.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 436 of 1043 (663044)
05-20-2012 10:28 PM
Reply to: Message 433 by crashfrog
05-20-2012 8:14 PM


Re: Buz's Occam's Razor topic
y not having any evidence for any of his positions? How on Earth does that make him different than all the other creationists? How does that make him even in the least bit different? That's par for the course, but Buz is the only one whose participation is under such extreme constraint.

Again, Buzsaw's treatment is different, but the treatment is earned in my view. Further, the science threads Buzsaw participates in don't make this forum look any better either. Every single one of them turns into a dogpile of justly deserved ridicule. It creates the impression that EvC is just a place where the evolution supporting buzzards feast on weak creationist prey.

In any event, Percy has seen fit to allow the discussion in Free for all. Let's see if the evolution side can discuss Occam's razor with Buzsaw in a manner that brings credit to all involved. I personally won't be joining the discussion.

And it's not just Buz who is under the contraint; the rest of us are constrained from talking about science in any thread Buz chooses to start.

You are free to restart any thread Buz chooses to start. But without Buz himself, those threads probably won't be much fun. I suspect that it is actually giving Buzsaw a butt kicking that you are really looking forward to.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 449 of 1043 (663077)
05-21-2012 9:25 AM
Reply to: Message 443 by Bolder-dash
05-21-2012 12:35 AM


Re: short leash
Life is just full of coincidences isn't it? But its fair and balanced, belief me, its fair and balanced. Our motto is fair and balanced. Believe us yet?

We know that you no longer have any interest in debate here. Your recent posting history is that you complain about your past treatment and that you escalate the abuse in your messages until you get banned for yet another long period of time. Given that reality, exactly how long a leash should you be on?

You've been able to maintain a fairly mild demeanor for at least a week this time. Perhaps you will manage to stay for a longer time while not participating in any debate whatsoever.

But you aren't going to debate. That's pretty evident by now.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 455 of 1043 (663092)
05-21-2012 11:09 AM
Reply to: Message 450 by Bolder-dash
05-21-2012 9:48 AM


Re: short leash
thought people didn't get banned for here for being abusive.

Well you thought wrong. Why in the world would abuse that is not even on topic be tolerated? You don't contribute anymore. Abuse is your entire reason for being here.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 475 of 1043 (663370)
05-23-2012 7:36 PM


What a troll believes.
At the risk of stating the obvious, the Raison d'être for a troll is generating irritated, deflected posts about the troll. The idea is to provide stinky bait, often in the form of silly, and deliberately inflammable posts and then to watch the resulting fun.

Trolls want attention, and no attention is too negative.

Please do not feed the zoo denizens. Let the keeper handle that chore.

Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


  
NoNukes
Inactive Member


Message 478 of 1043 (663407)
05-24-2012 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 476 by foreveryoung
05-24-2012 12:13 AM


Re: Don't be naive
To whom? All he does is raise my blood pressure and give me more reason's to hate evolutionists.

Yes, but we know from experience that your temper is extremely short. You are one of the few here who have actually threatened violence to other posters.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 484 of 1043 (663426)
05-24-2012 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 482 by foreveryoung
05-24-2012 12:37 PM


Re: Don't be naive
f you have an instance where I made a specific threat about a specific act of violence against a particular member, go ahead and post it. I don't believe you have such a statement from me.

You are right. I don't have an instance of a threatened specific act of violence to a specific poster.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 569 of 1043 (665113)
06-08-2012 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 564 by Admin
06-08-2012 5:04 AM


Re: Bad Call
I chose a permanent suspension for AE because I wasn't aware of any indications of recent interest in discussion of creation/evolution. He seemed to have dropped completely into troll mode. If I'm wrong about that I can shorten the suspension.

Please consider reinstating Artemis. Artemis had made a number of excellent, on topic posts in the last week or so, and his relapse to insult mode was a little disappointing.

Despite the fact that I personally garnered a lot of jeers from foreveryoung, I think it would be best to let any jeers that AE and FEY issued while they were still in good standing to remain on the books.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 610 of 1043 (669893)
08-05-2012 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 607 by Buzsaw
08-05-2012 6:59 AM


It's pretty clear why.
Admin has posted that in order for me to get re-instated in the Science forum I must do a thread on the nature of evidence. This I have done. So why am I still banned from Science??

Seriously Buz,

You thought the only requirement was to start a thread and it took you over a year to get round to it? Fascinating.

Perhaps you have forgotten something about admin's direction. In order to rejoin the science forums you are going to have to actually accept some instruction about what the nature of evidence, and you are going to have to use the discussion to inform your future participation so that every thread does not turn into a ridiculing of your thought processes.

Otherwise you are just going to be re-banned in short order.

I don't believe you to be capable of obtaining reinstatement under those conditions. Your current diatribe regarding evidence reflects the same lack of understanding that got you booted.

The jeer button is the one on the right.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 630 of 1043 (670064)
08-08-2012 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 627 by AdminPD
08-08-2012 9:58 AM


Re: Dubious off-topic ruling
The questions in the OP are to Christians who use a non-literal interpretation of the Bible and still worship God.

And a legitimate response to the question might be that the premise that the Bible appear to contain historical documents is just wrong.

I don't think it is proper to ignore the provocative nature of the OP. The title of the post states that God penned the Bible. I understand that the title alone is not the subject under discussion, but it certainly does inform regarding the view point of the poster.

I agree with PaulK. Nothing about his post is off topic. You need not be a Christian to suppose that you can understand how they might feel.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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NoNukes
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Message 636 of 1043 (670114)
08-08-2012 10:20 PM
Reply to: Message 635 by New Cat's Eye
08-08-2012 9:02 PM


Re: Dubious off-topic ruling
Like I said, he was countering the condition of the If-Then. And I think that's exactly what was intended to be avoided. You know, for the sake of discussion.

So you believe that there is some percentage of Christians who thinks that God wrote lies into the Bible? Because that is the claim made in the OP.


Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)

The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison


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