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Theodoric
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Message 1036 of 1049 (857485)
07-08-2019 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1035 by AZPaul3
07-08-2019 5:36 PM


Re: Faith and Dwise1
I hugged three today.
In all seriousness I did plant two today.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 1037 of 1049 (857500)
07-08-2019 6:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1036 by Theodoric
07-08-2019 5:59 PM


Re: Faith and Dwise1
Did you simply plant them where YOU wanted them or did they choose the location? Were they simply torn from their homeland and family and carried against their will to the New Home?

Edited by jar, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 1038 of 1049 (857501)
07-08-2019 7:07 PM
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07-08-2019 5:59 PM


Re: Faith and Dwise1
Thank you.

Now what about the other 300,000,000? Is that next week?


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1039 of 1049 (857502)
07-08-2019 7:08 PM
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07-08-2019 6:56 PM


Re: Faith and Dwise1
Any where on planet Earth would be fine.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Theodoric
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Message 1040 of 1049 (857528)
07-08-2019 11:09 PM
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07-08-2019 6:56 PM


Re: Faith and Dwise1
I tore them from their homeland and carried them against their will to their new home.

Truth be known they were probably going to die when the house they were near gets torn down next week. Thought it was better than risking them being killed by machinery.


Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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ringo
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Message 1041 of 1049 (857554)
07-09-2019 11:54 AM
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07-08-2019 3:41 PM


Re: Faith and Dwise1
Phat writes:

well i dont see the bias.


When you're in the forest, it's hard to see anything but trees.

Phat writes:

... strongly bleeding heart liberal...


That right there sounds like bias - especially coming from somebody who claims to be "moderate".

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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Message 1042 of 1049 (857851)
07-12-2019 2:37 AM
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07-09-2019 11:54 AM


Liberals vs Conservatives
[ This lengthy cut-n-paste appears to be from These 11 Psychological Traits Reveal Striking Differences Between Conservatives And Liberals. I've fixed up the formatting due to copy-n-pasting a bulleted HTML page. --Admin ]

Business Insider writes:



These 11 Psychological Traits Reveal Striking Differences Between Conservatives And Liberals

Scientists have been researching the psychological differences between people with different stances, and there are a few key ways that people on opposite ends of the political spectrum see the world.

Here's what the data shows:

  1. Being scared can make you more conservative.

    Decades of research has shown that people get more conservative when they feel threatened and afraid.

    Threats of terrorism make everyone less liberal - researchers found this was especially true in the months after 9/11. During that time, the US saw a conservative shift, and Americans displayed increased support for military spending and for President George W. Bush.

    Americans aren't the only ones whose political leanings are influenced by fear.

    A 2003 review of research conducted in five different countries looked into 22 separate tests of the hypothesis that fear fuels conservative viewpoints and found it was universally true.

  2. A conservative brain is more active in different areas than a liberal one.

    Brain scans show that people who self-identify as conservative have larger and more active right amygdalas, an area of the brain that's associated with expressing and processing fear. This aligns with the idea that feeling afraid makes people lean more to the right.

    One 2013 study showed conservative brains tend to have more activity in their right amygdalas when they're taking risks than liberals do.

  3. On the other hand, feeling safe and endowed with strength might make you lean a little more liberal than you otherwise would.

    Groundbreaking research that Yale psychologists published in 2017, revealed that helping people imagine they're completely safe from harm can make them (temporarily) hold more liberal views.

    The authors of that study said their results suggest that socially conservative views are driven, at least in part, by people's need to feel safe and secure.

    That finding didn't hold true for people with economically conservative views, though.

  4. Liberals are less squeamish about looking at yucky stuff like vomit, feces, and blood.

    A 2018 study of college students showed that those with more socially conservative views were quicker to physically look away from disgusting images - like pictures of blood, feces, or vomit - than their liberal peers.

    The self-reported social conservatives also stared longer at photos of other people reacting in disgust to icky stuff.
    This latest research backs up other studies that have pointed out that conservatives are more easily grossed out than liberals.

    A gut reaction of disgust is, evolutionarily speaking, a good thing for human species survival, since it helps us keep some foreign and potentially dangerous secretions at bay.

    But in our modern world, some research suggests this kind of aversion toward "impure" pathogens may also impact how people see others who aren't like them, including social "out-groups" like immigrants or foreigners.

  5. Conservatives tend to display more ordered thinking patterns, whereas liberals have more "aha" moments.

    A 2016 study at Northwestern University found that when conservative and liberal college students were given word problems to solve, both groups managed to arrive at some correct answers through gradual, analytical analysis.

    But when feeling stuck on a problem, liberals were much more likely to draw upon a sudden burst of insight - an 'aha' moment, like a lightbulb turning on in the brain.

    This didn't mean that the liberals were any smarter than the conservatives. Rather, it showed that their brains had a tendency to reorganize their thoughts in more flexible ways, while the conservatives tended to take a more step-by-step approach.

    The researchers suggested that this finding may indicate that liberals and conservatives prefer solving problems in different ways.

    Lead study author Carola Salvi said the results were consistent with what scientists already knew about the brains of people with different political leanings: "conservatives have more structured and persistent cognitive styles," she said in a statement.

  6. Liberals tend to follow the wandering gaze of others more often, while conservative eyes stay more focused on the original subject they're looking at.

    In 2010, researchers at the University of Nebraska tested whether conservatives and liberals physically see the world in different ways. They found that when it comes to matching the gaze of other people, the two groups differ.

    The scientists measured this by having individual study participants watch a certain point on a computer screen and wait for a ball to show up in the frame.

    Then they added a distracting human face onto the screen - before the ball appeared. The face's eyes would look around. The scientists watched their participants to see if they followed the waundering gaze rather than focusing on looking for the ball.

    The researchers found that the liberal participants tended to follow the direction of the eyes on the screen. Conservatives, on the other hand, weren't as swayed by their pixelated peers, and kept waiting for the ball.
    That finding surprised the study authors.

    "We did not expect conservatives to be completely immune to these cues," lead author Michael Dodd said when the study was released.

  7. Holding conservative views seems to make people more resistant to change and help them explain inequality.

    A 2003 review of decades of research on conservative people suggested that their social views can help satisfy "psychological needs" to make sense of the world and manage uncertainty and fear.

    "People embrace political conservatism (at least in part) because it serves to reduce fear, anxiety, and uncertainty; to avoid change, disruption, and ambiguity; and to explain, order, and justify inequality among groups and individuals," the researchers said.

  8. Liberal and conservative tastes in music and art are different, too.

    Studies from the 1980s showed that conservatives preferred more simple paintings, familiar music, and unambiguous texts and poems, while liberals enjoy more cubist and abstract art.

    Although that research dates back to a drastically different political climate more than three decades ago, the findings held up in more recent studies from 1997, 2010 and 2015.

    In 2014, Time magazine conducted an online survey and found that conservative readers tended to say they'd rather visit Times Square than the Metropolitan Museum of Art.

    The finding fits with other research that also indicates conservatives tend to avoid uncertainty and dislike ambiguity.

  9. Liberals are more likely to describe themselves as compassionate and optimistic, while conservatives are more likely to say they're people of honor and religion.

    A 1980 study of high school students found conservative students at that time were more likely to describe themselves as "responsible", "organized", "successful", and "ambitious", while liberal students might describe themselves as "loving", "tender", or "mellow".

    Surveys suggest that today's adults aren't much different than those 80s kids.

    A Pew Research Center study from 2014 showed that liberals were more likely than social conservatives to describe themselves as compassionate, trusting, upbeat, and optimistic, while conservatives were more likely to say they were people of honor, duty, religion, and proud to be American.

    The self-reports go along with other more recent research from 2012, which suggests that liberals' top moral concerns tend to be about compassion and fairness, while conservatives are more concerned with loyalty, tradition, respect for authority, and purity.

  10. Conservatives believe they have more self-control.

    One 2015 study found that conservative students were often better at focusing their attention on a cognitive task called the Stroop color and word test.

    The common psychological study tool asks participants to quickly name the correct color of a word that's written on a different color background.

    In the study, conservative students seemed to correctly answered the color questions faster than their liberal peers. The researchers think that's because the conservatives were more likely to believe in the concept of self-control.

    "What we're finding is that conservatives are more likely to believe they can control their own behavior," psychologist Joshua Clarkson from the University of Cincinnati said when his study was released.

    But the conservatives didn't always out-perform the liberals. When they were told that their free will might undermine their own self-control, they performed worse than their liberal peers.

    "One could imagine a host of situations where knowing you are responsible for your actions could lead to frustration, anxiety and other negative emotions that could impair self-control," Clarkson said.

  11. Liberals and conservatives extend feelings of compassion to different people.

    New research shows that conservatives tend to express compassion to smaller social circles than liberals.

    For example, conservative voters were found to be more likely to agree with statements like: "I often have tender, concerned feelings for my family members who are less fortunate than me."

    But their responses suggested such feelings did not extend to people from other countries.

    Liberals, on the other hand, were more likely to feel that same level of compassion for people around the world, and even to non-human and imaginary subjects like animals and aliens.


This article was originally published by Business Insider.

Edited by Admin, : Fix the terrible formatting and provide a link.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith

You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

Subjectivism may very well undermine Christianity.
In the same way that "allowing people to choose what they want to be when they grow up" undermines communism.
~Stile


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ringo
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Message 1043 of 1049 (857878)
07-12-2019 11:41 AM
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07-12-2019 2:37 AM


Re: Liberals vs Conservatives
7. Holding conservative views seems to make people more resistant to change and help them explain inequality.

Yes, conservatives are more likely to make excuses for a problem than to try to fix it.

All that are in Hell, choose it. -- CS Lewis
That's just egregiously stupid. -- ringo

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AZPaul3
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Message 1044 of 1049 (888295)
09-11-2021 11:15 AM


LNA Suspension
Please reconsider.

Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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AdminPhat
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Message 1045 of 1049 (888298)
09-11-2021 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1044 by AZPaul3
09-11-2021 11:15 AM


Re: LNA Suspension
Your appeal is noted. Allow me to share with you my reasoning.

LamarkNewAge has been at this forum for 6 years. He should by now know the Forum Guidelines. Granted e all waver from them a bit, and I personally feel that this is allowable.
(Otherwise, I would have to suspend Phat permanently. )

But let us note LNA's behavior in his own thread! The thread was LNA's response to E Pluribus Unum: Findings from the Cato Institute 2021 Immigration and Identity National Survey
he survey of 2,600 U.S. adults seeks to explore and examine why Americans support or oppose a more open immigration regime.

LNA is passionate about the subject of immigration in general and has full right to his opinions on the matter. As I browse his responses(again...I made my initial 2-day suspension based on what he said to others) I will show you his pattern and my objection to his methodology.

In Message 13 he starts gently reminding his opponent (dwise1) to stay on topic. So far no problem.
In Message 17 The anger and persecution complex surface.

LNA, addressing ringo writes:

1st and second-generation immigrants are the strongest supporters of what you just bashed. (then mentioning Percy and dwise1)...I have been at work all day while posting, and I could not spend too much time on the straw man b.s. from dwise and Percy. They are ignorant amateurs on the immigration issue...

A clear personal attack. But wait...it gets worse.
In Message 18 LNA turns his emotional guns on AZPaul3...which is you!
LNA writes:

...You are ignorant of the law.
You are ignorant of public opinion.
I was not even expressing my opinion. I was describing objective facts about both current law and public opinion.
Idiots

I am assuming that the initial charge of "idiots" was the Americans at large who were "greedy and ignorant" and who challenged immigration policy. I do note, however, that LNA's externalized anger begins to focus on EvC Forum itself and its members specifically.
LNA writes:

Be very careful about reading the posts in this thread.
These idiots have never heard of the PUBLIC CHARGE laws already on the books.
I can easily tell.

I am assuming that in this context LNA means the "idiots" participating in this thread and questioning his argument.
In Message 21 He attacks you, Percy, and dwise1. These are fighting words. Personal attacks. We all have to watch ourselves and respect our fellow forum members. (Yes, I am preaching to my inactive self! )

In Message 35 LNA turns his wrath towards PaulK.

LNA writes:

So you are a very dishonest person, PaulK.
Get the heck out of a discussion if all you have to bring is lies.

I could go on and on. This entire discussion has happened in the past 4 days.

Now its your turn. Why should this slinging mudfest and personal attacks be allowed to continue?


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Message 1046 of 1049 (888299)
09-11-2021 12:26 PM
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09-11-2021 12:05 PM


Re: LNA Suspension
AdminPhat writes:

Why should this slinging mudfest and personal attacks be allowed to continue?


If you're going to suspend people for calling other posters idiots, sign me up.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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AZPaul3
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Message 1047 of 1049 (888303)
09-11-2021 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1045 by AdminPhat
09-11-2021 12:05 PM


Re: LNA Suspension
All well and good, AdminPhat, I concede you have valid reasons to take this action.

However, LNA's actions are no more than what the rest of this chorus does to each other on a weekly basis. Not anything you and I haven't slung at others, and at each other, at some time.

No other great arguments on my part.

His transgressions, imho, warrant a thick skin on the part of his targets and himself but do not warrant suspension.

I request the suspension be lifted.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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Message 1048 of 1049 (888304)
09-11-2021 3:03 PM
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09-11-2021 1:38 PM


LNA suspension lifted
Since you and ringo were both ones that LNA targeted, and since Percy seems to have had no problem with him, I will again listen to my EvC friends. Maybe AminPhat also needs to be inactive. I want LNA to watch his words and to also note what his adversaries did for him.

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Message 1049 of 1049 (888307)
09-11-2021 6:41 PM
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09-11-2021 3:03 PM


Re: LNA suspension lifted
You left out the fact that I was called ****** multiple times before my "transgressions"

(The evidence never came when I was posting.)

(Percy gave his evidence - a false quote of me - after I was suspended)

Just a minor little detail.

Ringo was not one of them, fyi.


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