When does killing an animal constitute murder?

And I think they are slightly "eccentric" in their behaviour.But at least they are trying to be morally consistent. Whatever that may or may not be worth.

Too funny.Guess what, each case is separate and individual. What might be sufficient reason in one instance may not be sufficient reason in another. Good thing I did not say that then isn't it.

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Eating ones own species is very rare in the animal kingdom, probably because i would not want to be killed and eaten so i do not kill and eat other humans. Well unless you are from china go and kill a cat on your yard, skin it, roste it, eat it and make sure the naighburs are watching. If i where you naighbur i would not have a problem with it i might even try a bite if you offered, tough i would not do the same in my back yard, tough most would think you are a freak, posesed, a satan worshiper ...... If the stake was alredy cut redy for the barbeque sure why not, if the chimp where still alive i would have a problem killing or watching you kill a relativly sentient animal for the pure purpose of knowing how it tastes.I know my moral lines are very blurry tough there is a method to my madness i do not know what the method is tough there is one.

And how does this detract from the point that what you consider to be "sufficent reason" for killing a bug is very different from that which is considered "sufficent reason" for killing a human?When is uncaring disregard or mere annoyance "sufficent reason" for killing a human in the same way that you have implied about bugs? Yes because that would imply psychotic tendencies wouldn't it?It was you that said you "don't know" if your reasons for killing maggots were "sufficient reason" for killing humans.I would suggest that being the non-psychopath that we both agree you are, that your previous answer didn't very well reflect the true nature of your personal morality witrh regard to different forms of life.Which is what this thread is supposed to be about.

Now that is just about the best description of personal morality I have heard on this topic. And one that I can personally identify with.Having eaten dog in Vietnam and bush meats in Africa (quite possibly ape of some sort) I am no position to take any moral high ground.But to pretend that we are not applying personal morality of some confused kind with regard to this topic is just dishonest.

Well it depends, say you are stranded on an island and you made a field and planted some seeds you found in a fedex box floating in the ocean. If maggots where eating your only food source you would kill them, And if a human would come along and say well this field is mine you will tend for it and i will eat of of it or i kill you you might kill the human bully.

Given that jar also said he didn't know if he had killed maggots or not I think, unless he has a history of extreme amnesia, that it is unlikley that he was shipwrecked and stranded in the way you suggest.Relative disdian for maggot life is what came across to me. A disdain that I suspect is shared by many humans. Disdain that if replicated towards humans would be psychopathic.

Good thing I don't remember saying uncaring disregard or mere annoyance is sufficient reason for killing a human. In fact, I can't even remember saying uncaring disregard was a reason to kill bugs. Whatever.But I also do remember saying that each incident is a separate entity and so sufficient cause is only relevant to that particular incident.I believe you had asked to which I replied "I don't know. Sorry."As I pointed out before, I cannot remember killing a maggot.

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Have you killed bugs more blithely than you would kill humans?If so - Why?

We apply personal morality every where, there is no clear defined moral code out there all our morals are personaly constructed with the help of our society, parents and all those around us.Morals are not clearly written laws, they are blurry ideas of wahat is right or wrong.If every body had clear morals, with clear lines for every possible action, and these morals would be unchanging torugh history and trough ones lifetime, then the creos would actually have some indirect evidence for a creator.

I've had far more opportunities to kill bugs than humans it guess.As I said above, I have not yet been in a situation where I have had sufficient reason to kill a human.

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I don't disagree with any of that. Except to say that some moral instincts seem more ingrained in humans than others.But this thread is about personal morality. And that is what I am asking about. Specifically in relation to animals and one's attitudes to different actions taken against different animals.

Would any of you eat this And why not? http://www.worsleyschool.net/...ce/files/biggest/spider.htmlEdited by frako, : No reason given.

That doesn't answer the question really does it?Are you now saying that there is no moral dimension to your lack of killing humans as compared to bugs it is just lack of opportunity? What about your reasons for killing bugs? Have you killed bugs more blithely than you would kill humans?

I have eaten insects in Asia. Not spiders but ants. And worms (not that worms or spiders are insects - but you know what I mean).Frankly I find the idea of eating insects (and spiders) disgusting rather than immoral.