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Care to elaborate?Added by edit.If you were referring to his recent compromise on taxes, here's my take on this. I've been saying since the beginning that the reason I supported Hillary over Obama was because I thought Obama was too conservative for my taste. I don't know why the hell so many liberals think Obama was a liberal when it's been clear since he first came on the political stage that he was a moderate. There's never any doubt in my mind that he's always been a moderate.In other words, many, if not most, liberals have been living under the illusion that they got a liberal president. And they are not alone in this. Conservatives also have been living under the illusion that Obama was a liberal president.That said, if Obama's compromise is really what I think it is, then this is the most ingenius political move I've ever seen in my life time. Hahahaha. In fact, I'm glad Obama is not as short-sighted as most of his support base.I'll tell you this much. In 2 years, the conservatives will find themselves in a whole lot of trouble LOLEdited by Taz, : No reason given.

The way I see it, the illusion came from the fact that we got an ultra-conservative as president the previous 8 years. When Obama came around, everyone was comparing him to Bush. Of course he looked like a liberal. Most people would look like a liberal around that dumbass.Here is a youtube video of the president's speech on this compromise.Notice how he dissed republicans. Again, he doesn't seem to be short-sighted like most liberals out there. Making this compromise is the best thing he's ever done to bring down republican popularity. In fact, I have no doubt that in 2 years republican popularity will take a nosedive as a result of this compromise.Added by edit.And you could see it this way. Obama's willingness to compromise is exactly the change Obama's been campagning about. Can anyone name a single compromise Bush made? Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

You communist you!

What you say is, of course, bullshit on top of an already big pile of bullshit.Try to imagine this. Suppose we have a primitive society that has absolutely no engineers around. So, one day a philosopher decides that in order for the society to be able to effectively build up its infrastructure and such, it needs people who specializes in designing and overseeing construction projects. This society needs engineers. Sounds easy enough, right? But there's a catch. These engineers must be learned individuals. These individuals must first meet certain criteria to become engineers. They need to at least know, you guessed it, structural engineering.So, a group of farmers one day decides to declare themselves engineers. They got together and design this humongous structure to be built by workers. Nevermind the fact that these former farmers didn't know the first thing about engineering, but hey they've declared themselves engineers so they must be engineers. The structure collapses half way through, and so everyone decides that engineering just doesn't work.By now, you should be able to see the connection I'm trying to make. According to the theory of communism, a society must first meet certain criteria before it could progress to communism. ALL epxeriments with communism in the past have failed because these societies did not meet the criteria before they tried to be communist. You can't go straight from a feudalistic society into a communist society. And that's exactly what China and Russia were before they tried communism.So, yes, technically communism have been tried many times in the past and have failed. But none of those societies met the critieria. It's like taking a bunch of farmers and labeling them engineers. Just because we unanymously agree that these former farmers are now engineers doesn't mean they know jack shit about engineering.

Jesus christ, did you read what I wrote? According to theory, a society had to go through various stages before it could become communist and be successful. Russia resembled more like a feudalistic society before it tried communism.I'm sure they knew exactly what they were doing, but of course that's not what I was saying. The societies that they tried to impliment communism had neither the human will nor the infrastructure to impliment the theory.Way to go in misreading my analogy... just like creationists usually do.Added by edit.And don't try to point out little groups like those communes in the 60s. Communism was never meant to be applicable to a tiny group of people like that.Right now, what you're doing is you're pointing out that vacuum cleaners don't work because people in the past tried to use it as water vacuums and failed miserably.Point to me where a society that had all the criteria and had already went through all the stages outlined in the theory and tried communism and failed and we'll talk some more. In the mean time, all you have are failed attempts by people and societies who didn't have the criteria in the first place. It's like my farmers analogy. Just because you label a bunch of farmers as engineers doesn't mean they know jack shit about engineering. Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

And you people were mocking me when I voiced my support for Hillary up to the end.

I for one like to reserve the right to insult others like that big fat idiot crashfrog.

It is often said that communism looks good on paper but in practice it would fail miserably. Technically speaking, it should be communism looks good on paper, but meeting the criteria to impliment it is a whole different matter.It's like becoming a nobel prize winning scientist. It looks good and easy on paper on how to become one, but try becoming an honest to god nobel prize winning scientist without the criteria like years of schooling, decades of research, and a whole life time of dedication to scientific endeavor.I can imagine why people think becoming a scientist means massive failure because Joe the Plumber decided to one day proclaim himself a scientist.Anyone who's studied these various economic theories would tell you that you can't take a leap from feudalism to communism without it going horribly wrong. In the case of Russia, China, etc. they became totalitarian states instead of the communist utopia that they were suppose to become.Anyway, your run-on sentences gave me a headache.

If you want to go by what a country labels itself, then clearly China is a republic. It says so right there in their official name.I'm not denying that they were communist states. I am, however, dispute the claim that communism can't work because every attempt has failed. As I pointed out earlier, according to theory a state needs to go through several stages before it could reach communism. Just like an engineer needs to go through several stages in life to become a successful engineer. You can't just go from feudalism straight to communism anymore than you can go from an illiterate farmer straight to being an engineer. There are criteria that a society has to meet before it could enter its communism stages just like there are criteria that a person needs to meet before he could become a real engineer.Your claim that communism simply doesn't work because every experiment in the past has failed is like saying it is impossible for anyone to become a successful engineer because so far we've only had illiterate farmers trying to label themselves as engineers.

No, they didn't. Communism was never meant to be implimented in such a small scale. And those 2, again, went straight into trying to be communist. Again, you can't go straight from being a farmer to being an engineer. A society needs to go through various stages before it could become communist. For example, did either of those societies go through an industrial revolution? Hell, no. And here is where it goes wrong.They were living as self sustained community but their system was still capitalist. They had to compete with the massive capitalist system that had them surrounded. ANYthing would fail in such a case. I'm not saying the soviet union was established only by farmers, you very dense human-human hybrid.The analogy is this. A society cannot simply go straight from practically a feudalistic state to communism just like an illiterate farmer can't simply declare himself an engineer and be a successful one. In this analogy, the farmer is parallel to the feudal state and the farmer turned engineer parallels the feudal state turned communist state, you pigmentally challenged!And yes, I don't care what history or Russia labeled itself before the revolution, if you look at every aspect of their society it was a perfect implimentation of feudalism. So was China.

Actually, I'd have to agree with the idiot crashfrog on this one.The dominant argument against universal healthcare coming from conservatives right now is that they are afraid to wait in long lines. Now, think about the core of this argument. Why do we have long lines for anything? It is because there are many people in line for whatever it is that they want.We have long lines at the grocery because many people want and can get grocery. We have long lines at those rides in disney world because many people want and can buy their way in there.And that's exactly what conservatives don't want to happen with healthcare. They'd rather see a significant portion of the population not get any healthcare at all in order for them not to wait in long lines. I'm sorry, but I've been hearing this bullshit excuse so many times to have any patience with it. It's the general public that elected these republican politicians into office. It's not like those politicians seized power by force. They were democratically elected by using arguments like long lines for health care.If, for example, tomorrow Obama decides to nuke Russia and China via ICBM's, then at least the portion of Americans who elected him into office are responsible as well.Or are you arguing from the stand point that nobody is responsible for anything, every religion is the same, all roads lead to rome, and all the rest of that nonsense? This is what you get in the age of political correctness.

Your message reminds me of the fallacy of the middle ground.Person A: Negros are people and deserve full citizen status as well as equal rights as white people.Person B: Negros are not completely human and therefore do not deserve full citizen status. Would you grant citizenship to a monkey? No. They are lucky to be our slaves. At least they are blessed with our teachings of Christ and how they will be rewarded in heaven for being good servants.Person C: Let's compromise. We'll count the negro as 3/5 of a person. And they'll only be slaves 6 months out of 12.Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

Did you read what I wrote? The main argument being put forth by the conservatives to scare people about universal health care is long waiting lines. It's the American people that are scared by long waiting lines for health care. In other words, it's the American people who want a significant portion of the population to not have any health care at all. No, the problem is the voters for thinking they know everything there is to know by watching fox news giving snipets of quote mines. I'm sorry, but if you're watching fox news and you believe these short snipets about certain issue, then you're an idiot. There's no nicer way to say it.The American people are idiots for still believing it's a big deal that Obama might be muslim. The American people are idiots for still believing gay marriage will somehow ruin their marriage. The American people are idiots for believing the scientific community is made of dumbasses.It's not your job to make sure I'm not an ignorant fool. It's my job to make sure I'm not an ignorant fool. I don't know jack shit about geology, so I'm going to blame other people for my ignorance of geology?

Both politicians and conservative loudmouth sons of bitches like glenn beck like have be screaming about long lines in Canada for years now.Again, the only way for people to get scared by this argument is if they are scared of long lines. The implication of this is they don't want a significant part of the population to have health care. No, I'm not calling them stupid for listening to fox news. I'm calling them stupid for listening to fox news and then just swallow any snipet they get out of them.I get my news sources from many sources, including but not limited to cnn, npr, msnbc, and fox. I then do a comparison and try to make sense of them.The American people at large, however, believe any snipet they hear.For example, in 2004 there were a large number of people who believed the lie that John Kerry voted against providing body armor for troops in Iraq. We all saw that political ad. When I saw that, I knew right away that it wasn't as simple as that. After about 10 minutes of googling, I found out that there were things attached to that bill that weren't so appetizing.But even if I didn't have that 10 minutes to google and read, I would not have believed that John Kerry voted against that bill just for the sake of not providing body armor for troops. Anyone who believes that is a dumbass and shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. That said, I remember people were screaming off the top of their lungs about how evil old man Kerry was for voting against that bill for the sole purpose of hating our troops.Do you understand what I'm saying? I don't blame the conservative population at large for watching fox news. I blame them for watching fox news and believe everything they see without having a second thought. I blame them for still making an issue out of Obama might be a secret muslim. So what if he's a muslim? I've never said I know best. Dude, where do you get these weird ideas about our positions?The other day, one of my friends was talking about his representative. He talked on and on how his representative was so hot and all of that. Then he asked me about my rep. I admitted that I did not even know who my rep was.So, you see, I am by far not a political savy. I don't have all the answers. And I certainly don't pretend to know that much about politics.That said, I know better than to believe one liner attacks like "Obama is a muslim terrorist" or "Obama is a fascist". If they're going to believe something that extreme, at least check on their facts. There you go again, blaming everything on the media.And let me repeat what I said before. I don't know jack shit about geology. And I have no intention of spending anymore time learning about it. Wow, gee, it's the media's fault for not informing more about geology.Oh, and by the way, it's not a false sense of intelligence. Again, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not that bright. I also don't know that much about economic policies and politics. That doesn't mean I can't see if something is pure bullshit or not.What I'm complaining about is there are many conservatives who operate under the pretense that they know everything even though all they have are snipets they got from fox's personalities. Do you or do you not agree that Obama being a secret muslim is a non-issue? Do you or do you not believe that the fact that people even worry about this is ridiculous?Don't blame this on the media. Blame this on the idiots who think this is even an issue at all. And whose fault is it that they don't know any better? Any free thinking adult should know better than to believe short spurts of snipets coming from the mouths of the likes like glen beck and ann coulter.

EVERY conservative I have talked to about universal healthcare have told me they didn't want to wait in long lines.Go ahead and talk to a conservative for once in your life about this issue. See what they say. It's always the same crap. The US has the best health care in the world. Universal healthcare will produce long lines. Etc. Because the people don't have to watch fox news, or any news. But they do have a choice to be gullible or not. No, you think it's implied because you think you're some kind of damn telepath. Not all, but a significant number of them. If you're asking for the exact number, let me ask you first the exact number of hair you have on your head. And yet, those who believe this stuff continue to spout this lie within the republican party. And last I checked, the republican party hasn't done shit to stamp out these crackpot elements of their party.I've always been a firm believer that silence is another way of approval. Sometimes, the things that come out of the media are obviously one-sided. Any thinking adult should realize that if you hear something too ridiculous to be true, it's probably is.Take a look at the supposed email leaks that supposedly indicated this vast conspiracy about climate change. Any thinking adult ought to question it first before believing in that crap. And yet, people were screaming off the top of their lungs about it. Even the very immoral buzsaw never apologized for all his LIES about the emails and this supposed vast conspiracy about global warming.It's like people never stopped to think if it made any sense. I used glen beck as an example. By no means, he's not the only one spouting these lies. Sure, it was the media. But who swallowed it?Let me ask you this. If I give you a pile of dog shit and say it's pizza, would you just eat it? Obama being a secret muslim bent on destroying America is just that, a pile of dog shit.Here, eat it, it will taste very very good. I think I have said this before. Some time ago, some friends of mine who happened to be immigrants told me that the most irritating thing about the process of learning english is sometimes when they ask people to repeat something because they couldn't understand it people say it louder instead of trying to say it in another way.That's exactly what's happening with economic policies right now. For the last 10 years, the rich has had huge tax cuts, and the economy just got worse and worse. It's like yelling louder and louder the same words to a person that doesn't understand english. You of all people should understand this. By the way, how's your anchor baby? Just kidding. Just kidding.Isn't it time to change economic policy? And yet, people actually believe this crap that lowering taxes for the millionaires and billionaires will somehow make their lives better. As if the last 10 years never happened. But oni, it's not politically correct for the left to tell people they've been misinformed. You should know that.That's why I hate political correctness. I think it's gone too far. Bullshit is bullshit. No matter how much sugar you put onto it, it's still bullshit.