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Message 1 of 314 (595316)
12-08-2010 1:18 AM


The United States of America is officially completely DEAD now. We can all go home and shake our heads at an experiment only 234 years old with apparently wonderful lofty ideals that has now succumbed finally to the forces of greed & viciousness. The final nail in the coffin was delivered by none other than that slimy insidious double agent for the Filthy Rich running the United States, Barack Obama.
It seemed such a fine idea at the time. People electing their rulers. *Sigh*

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 5 of 314 (595322)
12-08-2010 2:22 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Taz
12-08-2010 1:41 AM


in a groove
Taz writes:
Care to elaborate?
13 weeks unemployment for egregious tax cuts.
Whatever happened to the deficit angle?
I mean, the Republicans on one hand scream to balance the budget and on the other scream to save their precious lily white fat asses from the "painful" expiration of the Bush tax cut ("oh horrors, I might have to cut back on how many tropical islands I'm buying this week"). Then agree to give 13 more weeks of unemployment benefits. In 3 months the whole thing is over. Obama agrees to this. It's like "I'm starving and could use some food - oh, here we go, let me barf out the little bit of food I have - yeah, that will solve my hunger." Or, gee, my refrigerator doesnt have enough food in it - hey, here's an idea, why don't i just throw out some more food.
Since this is obviously a laughably logic, there must be some other reason Obama let the criminals get an even bigger slice of the pie. He is one of them himself! What other explanation is there? He is a Republican in Democrat clothing. He is indeed the "Magic Negro" - for the Filthy Rich running this world. Looking at the Democrats in office, IN FACT, it would appear that most of them (99%) are but more lackeys for their world masters (all 100% of the Republicans are, or else they are the rulers wearing 2 hats already).
I look at Dennis Kucinich and wonder if he isn't a plant that they allowed to get elected so that he could be an ineffectual mouthpiece for all that is correct & good & virtuous & nice, while agreeing to be publically vilified & badmouthed & laughed over politically. For his sacrifice he gets a Hot Wife to fuck. Would I make that trade? Dennis says all the right things, but he is so discredited that nothing will happen, no matter what he says. Then he goes home to his Hot Wife.
And what to make of the guy that I like the most, Bernie Sanders? Is he about to be assassinated? No - that would raise too many eyebrows. Just like Jim Garrison. No - they will get him on some faked-up charge, probably come up with something very devastating, like a pedophilia rumor - even paying off some kid to play the part.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 7 of 314 (595324)
12-08-2010 2:27 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taz
12-08-2010 2:16 AM


Re: Liberal?
Taz, I wish I could share your forecast....

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 8 of 314 (595327)
12-08-2010 2:45 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Taz
12-08-2010 2:25 AM


Re: in a groove
I am a democratic socialist today, but I hasten to point out that communism has never been tried - every attempt was immediately usurped by totalitarianism before it could get off the ground. However, I don't believe in the full tenants of communism. I believe that both capitalism and communism need to be present. The USA was too much leaning over to capitalism, before it became the Fascist State it now is. Think of a circle. At the bottom, appropriately is dictatorship as exemplified by Hitler, Stalin, and so forth. Call the bottom 180 degrees wrong. What is 0 degrees? Sweden? Norway? Germany? They all have their defects. The United States is currently about at 100 degrees to the right, well below the line of 90 degrees where Fascism assumes the rule. Communism, as I see it, if it ever does get implemented somewhere, would be about 280 degrees, or north of *#what??#*, Cuba? no. China? Maybe, although are so many egregious things going on there, plus their psychotic allegiance with the fuckers of International Corporate Power.
No - in these times, sadly, Fascism is winning everywhere.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 13 of 314 (595335)
12-08-2010 3:40 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Rrhain
12-08-2010 2:53 AM


Rrhain writes:
The whine of, "But that's not really communism," is nothing more than the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Concede. Still though, democratic socialism has worked very well it seems, from my vantage point (safely on the fairway, as the computer golfing game would put it).

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 15 of 314 (595341)
12-08-2010 5:30 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Rrhain
12-08-2010 3:28 AM


Rrhain writes:
If you're going to claim that the countries and societies commonly understood as "communist" aren't "really" so, then you're going to have to say that the US isn't "really" capitalist, either.
Actually, as of December 6th, 2010, the United States became a Fascist State.
As my brother says, Enjoy.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 57 of 314 (595818)
12-10-2010 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by crashfrog
12-10-2010 2:20 PM


Re: Tenzing Norgay - more firstly
I have been LOLing through these fine arguments and feel I should clarify the terms for those in deep disagreement. I am reminded of the StarTrek episode of the one guy half white on the left side of his body's skin, half black on the right side, and his nemesis with half black on the left and half white on the right. A totally STUPID episode that I truly thought, in my lifetime, I would NEVER have to bring up again.
CONSERVATIVE/REPUBLICAN == a slimy servant of the Filthy rich who cares only for the Fucking Rapture and is thus a major danger to the environment.
LIBERAL/DEMOCRAT == any of the jobless someones already living off the government's largess and thus, contrary to their word, are also extremely environmentally dangerous.
CONSERVATIVE/DEMOCRAT == a misshapen thing that booms his throat chambers repeatedly, taking frequent breaks to try to run around in circles that are elliptical and disoriented and thus most possibly environmentally dangerous, crying about the way it used to be.
LIBERAL/REPUBLICAN == another misshapen thing that whirls around in little circles, stopping every once in a while to try a muffled boom, crying about how it used to be, in a pathetic flimsy wheeze of some buckshot-ridden squeeze-box that is, uncannily enough, also probably environmentally dangerous....
Basically, it's like this: There is a Gaussian bell-shaped curve. The folks at the extremities are all assholes and the folks in the middle are all pathetic idiots.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 89 of 314 (596172)
12-13-2010 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by crashfrog
12-13-2010 3:34 PM


Re: Crash - less truthful
Crashfrog dies horribly in his own words with:
After all this, less than a week later, you CONTINUE to falsely assert that I want the embassy withdrawn
It's not false. You've repeatedly stated that Obama should close the giant embassy.
BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT
Cite. Cite. You cannot cite.
Get your act together, man.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 92 of 314 (596177)
12-13-2010 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Panda
12-13-2010 5:05 PM


Re: Crash - less truthful
Panda, cutting through the bullshit, asks Dronester:
So you think Obama should close the giant embassy?
I think it should be Nuked.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 96 of 314 (596185)
12-13-2010 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by onifre
12-13-2010 5:31 PM


Re: Crash - less truthful
Onifre writes:
What makes you think Obama can just fly in and tear down the embassy!?
Haven't you seen Obama's ears? He can fly in anywhere!
- Oni
PS. I couldn't see the pic.
I've seen a horsefly, I've seen a house fly......
I say we just get Iran to Nuke it out. All of the personnel are safely far away and all of the humans are safely away at the time. Iran gets a free missile test. Think of the conspiracy theorists scurrying around. Think of the neo-cons running around. Think of the news mediots!!! My gosh think of them trying to report this event. Think of Wikileaks leaking that is was Obama who ordered Iran to do it!!!

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 102 of 314 (596244)
12-14-2010 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by crashfrog
12-13-2010 10:07 PM


somebody crashed our Frog!
A horribly injured Crashedfrog croaks out:
How can "it's not going anywhere" be "vague as to meaning"? Everybody knows what "it's not going anywhere" means, it's a perfectly plain statement in English. It means "it's not being closed down and demolished."
This is sad. Some truckload of rolling logs dumped out in the freeway has braindamaged our poor Frog. We need to get him to the vet real quick.
Dronester believes Obama should close the US embassy in Iraq because it's enormous....
Since when does reducing a building's size equate to closing it down & demolishing it?
What Dronester is calling on Obama to do - close the embassy because it's too large - makes absolutely no sense at all. It's utterly stupid. And that's precisely why Dronester is now telling fibs about not having said it. But he did, and continues to.
You LIE! Or actually, you are BRAINDAMAGED! Or your EvC account has been hijacked.
I'm the one that wants it nuked, not Dronester.
You cannot produce a post where Dronester wants the embassy closed. That is because there is no such post.
You owe Dronester a huge apology for your character assassination.
Here - do you want some red meat of utterly stupid no sense at all?:
You should instead be character assassinating me who wants to see all 104 acres of it melted down into a big pool of green glazed glowing glass 3 miles deep, preferably accomplished by the Arab world. It's a big smelly Dick Cheney mausoleum with his smelly dick. Let them happily destroy this incredibly insulting obnoxious symbol of the Western Fascists squatting their fat asses over the Arab homelands for time out of mind.
You think Obama would go for any hint of that? No, of course not.
You have produced a nice little cute list of the liberal things that Obama has accomplished. Yes, they are cute. However, they are but mere window dressing to the hidden agenda he & the plutocrats are in cahoots over.
Look at the battle over giving the 1.5% richest in this country the extension of the Bush tax cuts. Bernie Sanders & company seem to be the only people in Washington who cannot stay away from the pig trough of Filthy Filthy Filthy money (pardon me, pigs - you are saintly compared to these rich assholes). Even so-called liberal Senator John Kerry of my home state has thrown his anti-war dog tags in with the Heinzes he married into.
There is no conservative. There is no liberal. There is only the incredibly rich and the rest of us in this country, and an even worse situation globally.
This "embassy", if that's what you want to sugar-coat call it, is nothing less than the Main Fortress Base from which the super rich can control and rule the middle east and protect their precious oil. In fact, now that I consider how long it's been in the planning (at least 40-50 years), it's probably considerably Nuke-proof. Loaded with espionage tunnels and wiretapped up the wazoo. Can it even launch ICBMs? - you betchya. Hey!, we finally do have WMDs in Iraq! The subterranean corridors might even have special baryometric crypts for the bodies of the ruling class, like the Bush family and the Cheney family and all of those who were in on the assassination of JFK when they die and random homeless bodies are substituted in the coffins buried back in the states. And we all payed for it. What a Rapture!
So - you want to call someone out for stupidity unchained, call me.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 104 of 314 (596263)
12-14-2010 3:38 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by crashfrog
12-14-2010 12:33 AM


Re: somebody crashed our Frog!
Crashing still writes:
Did he write those words or didn't he, xongsmith? Are you capable of reading them or aren't you, xongsmith?
The word "closed" or "close" starts with the letter "cee", then the letter "ell" then the letter "oh", then "ess", then "eee".
Here again:
C L O S E
you can read, can't you? Cite the post where Dronester uses that word.
Idiot.
Edited by xongsmith, : Starts not stars.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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xongsmith
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Message 105 of 314 (596264)
12-14-2010 4:25 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by crashfrog
12-14-2010 12:33 AM


Re: somebody crashed our Frog!
Crash, my buddy, let's get past this Dronester "close" issue, because that is really such a tiny tiny tiny issue compared to assessing the Obama administration.
Ok?
It really is IN THE FUCKING WAY!!!
Yeah - look at it. For 120 billion dollars in tax cuts for the rich, Obama secured a 400-billion-dollar one-year unemployment benefit extension - stimulus for the economy, a year of needed food security for the low-income families most hurt by the recession, and quite a relief for the tens of millions of Americans who were staring down the barrel of having absolutely no income whatsoever. Plus 320 billion in tax cuts for you, me, and every other American, targeted primarily at the middle class.
Except for the 10-year thing. The trillions, the 700Billion for the Filthy Rich. Who benefits most from Obamacare? The Pharmacorps? The Insurance Giants who are rubbing their hands in almost orgiastic excitement for the Requirement of everyone to buy in (if that stupid Bush judge gets shot down) ? The poor? You are being duped. If Obama wasn't in it, he would have been assassinated by now.
Game, set, match. Victory - Obama. Of course, Obama didn't deliver ponies and blowjobs, so people like you have to make perfect the enemy of good and line up the circular firing squad. When we have another decade of Republican control of all three branches of government, it'll be entirely due to so-called "liberals" like you......
Look, I know you are good at this. Obama delivering ponies & blowjobs - LOL - I wasn't expecting those & you weren't either. And we both know how the sausage is made in congress.
telling conspiracy tales about rich Jews was far more important
Where do you get off thinking this was what I was talking about??? Is the Rapture thing a Jewish thing now? Maybe I didn't see that. If you think you have a good mind reader, then you should go back to the store you bought it from and demand a Refund, plus damages. Bring Dronester along. He will attest to your case.
Dronester did bring up torture & rendition & YOU still haven't gone "...well, yeah, that was bad, but look at all the other things he has accomplished so far!". This is the problem in this subtext. You talk about ponies & blowjobs, but you still cite his record as if it was a - oh, wait for it - a "liberal" record. His token liberalism to cover the fact that he is still working for the Filthy Rich is being pitifully orchestrated, but you still seem to be buying it. He is handing out sweet flies that you like as his tanks prepare to roll over your numb legs. You should join me in moving to the Left, because the teeter totter is slamming down hard on the right in this country. Hop on out to the left end with me, and avoid getting run over by those tanks.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 128 of 314 (596465)
12-15-2010 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by crashfrog
12-14-2010 8:34 PM


Re: Crash - less truthful
Fuck all this shit.
I want that huge Fortress of the virulent Cheney's assholeness NUKED NUKED NUKED NUKED NUKED NUKED
melted into slag.
AND I want the Arabs to get to push the buttons. The equivalent of the 4th of July.
Give Iran the first button.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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Message 191 of 314 (597273)
12-20-2010 4:44 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by dronestar
12-20-2010 3:41 PM


Re: "Progress"?
dronester writes:
My, my, my. So according to you, it sure doesn't seem that Obama is dying on very many of his "liberal" hills, is he?
In fact, he actually seems like he USUALLY gives away the ENTIRE store at first blink. Is that what you mean by "compromise"?
See, Crashfrog? this is the problem. Put the Repugnant-conservatives trying to score on the right end of the field, the Dumbocrat-liberals trying to score on the left end. The Repugnants initial offer is the right goal line. Instead of first offering the left goal line as a a counter offer, not only does Obama not even wimpily offer to meet them at the 50-yard line, he offers to meet them 10 yards away from them scoring!!! This aint compromise, this is capitulation!
IF he would just get up and first make a huge complaint - say from his 20-yard line - replete with describing the evil disgusting ways that the Repugnant right is fucking up everything in this country that is worth anything - just in order to keep "their" money flowing into their coffers, we might feel a little better. We DO NOT want to see any more of those assholes get elected. Why give them any respect?
Look at how they couched the vote for extending the Bush tax cuts: "Letting them expire would disrupt the economic recovery..." WHAT SHIT. What all of us with any brains read in this is that it means "their economic recovery", NOT "ours". Yeah - raising taxes on the top 2% would indeed negatively impact the top 2%'s "economic recovery". Never mind how disastrous it is for rest of us. And they have the nerve to wave the American flag. What a bunch of traitorious albino caids, as William Burroughs put it... SO:
Why didn't Obama have the balls to say that loudly on National media and internet channels, using the bully pulpit??? He could then explain it, making loud comprises using your reference to Aesop's famous line, "Half is better than none at all", while exposing the creeps for what they are. He does not do that. He needs to get some duende, some swagger, some balls. He needs to comprehend his own speeches from before in their power. It is truly sad how he has decayed to a shell of his possibility. Even Bernie Sanders crushed him in earning respect.
Let's see something NOT 10 yards away from the most dangerous group of people ever to arise within this country.
It's like Crashfrog is will to settle for 5% to 6% is better than none at all. Yes, that is true, but we could've got much closer to 50%.
The only logical conclusion is that he is not a progressive. He might be a liberal in the wimpy sense. Remember Phil Ochs.
Sure, nothing is served by having him die on those "liberal hills", but we want to see him at least BLEED. We want to see him FIGHT. We want to see him kick some ass. The enemy is very vicious and tough and entrenched and snarling and he underestimates the direness of the day.
Too bad he let his namby-pamby softness concede the 2010 midterm elections. What he forgot is that most voters would rather vote for a strong leader over what they believe in themselves. If he had been loud & tough a bit more, assholes like Boehner wouldn't have him by the balls.

- xongsmith, 5.7d

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