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dwise1
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Message 136 of 566 (596431)
12-14-2010 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 5:09 PM


Re: Please learn how to read, Dawn
take it real slow, go back and read the title of the thread. Quit avoiding the simple request I am putting in front of you. If you cant do it just say so
OK. Here it is: Can a valid, supportable reason be offered for deconversion
Now, just where the hell does it say anything about making Dawn deconvert? It doesn't. So I repeat my question that you evaded, Dawnette:
None of the deconversion discussion here nor in the other topic has ever been about you personally deconverting. Where the hell did you ever get that crazy idea?
Ain't rocket science, though it does require reading comprehension of you, something that you keep proving that you sorely lack.
Answer the question! And please stop acting like an idiot.

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 137 of 566 (596432)
12-14-2010 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by jar
12-14-2010 5:36 PM


Re: scriptural unity
Dawn, no one in this thread has ever even suggested you should deconvert.
Well thats not what the thread is about in the first place, me that is.
its about anyone setting out an argument as to why ANYONE should deconvert
read the OP
Dawn Bertot

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Message 138 of 566 (596433)
12-14-2010 10:52 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by dwise1
12-14-2010 9:55 PM


Re: Please learn how to read, Dawn
OK. Here it is: Can a valid, supportable reason be offered for deconversion
Now, just where the hell does it say anything about making Dawn deconvert? It doesn't. So I repeat my question that you evaded, Dawnette:
None of the deconversion discussion here nor in the other topic has ever been about you personally deconverting. Where the hell did you ever get that crazy idea?
read post 137. Where does it Say, Dawn in the OP? Its not about me Moron, its about setting out an argument as to why anyone should. I can write slower if you need me to. Thanks
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 139 of 566 (596434)
12-14-2010 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 129 by arachnophilia
12-14-2010 5:07 PM


Re: scriptural unity
take it to jar's prophecy thread. i think you'll find that the majority of the time, ur reedin it rong.
Uh, I dont think so. Given the fact that Christ meets and nearly aceeds the clearly messianic prophecies in both the major and minor prophets
and you missed the part where i pointed out that this is not unity in the slightest.
If Christ fulfilled the law and the prophets, as it is clearly indicated in the Gospels, the you will have to provide a better answer than, "I just dont see it". All the evidence points obviously in that direction
Unity between the testaments is screaming out at you.
Dawn Bertot
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 140 of 566 (596435)
12-14-2010 10:58 PM
Reply to: Message 137 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 10:48 PM


Re: scriptural unity
LOL
And so once again you simply quote mine in order to avoid addressing what has been posted. In case you missed it, I'll gladly repost.
quote:
Dawn, no one in this thread has ever even suggested you should deconvert. If you are happy with your little bling-bling pimp daddy of a god, then by all means keep it. I knew a kid once that liked smelling gym socks.
The question was what would be a valid, supportable reason for deconversion.
You still refuse to support your assertions, try again and again to change the subject, take things out of context and ignore the questions asked.
People can read the thread Dawn, you fool no one but your self.
So, yet again:
quote:
Except, as expected, when asked to support your assertion in a thread devoted to examining the claimed clear representations of and about Christ and point directly to his life and ministry you simply refuse and say you don't have to support your assertions.
And, in addition, you once again refuse to answer the questions asked so I'll post them again.
quote:
Why if I look and find that there is no unity of doctrine and theme in the Bible (which is pretty obvious to anyone that understands there is not even such a thing as "The Bible") is that not sufficient and supportable reason to throw away the god and religion you try to market?
If I find the Bible to be just a collection of writings on a variety of subjects addressed to people of different eras and cultures, why is that not sufficient?

And if you believe there is actually a single Old Testament Prophecy that points to or relates to or refers to Jesus, then there is a thread open to discuss it.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 141 of 566 (596437)
12-14-2010 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 140 by jar
12-14-2010 10:58 PM


Re: scriptural unity
And if you believe there is actually a single Old Testament Prophecy that points to or relates to or refers to Jesus, then there is a thread open to discuss it.
Since you will provide nothing more than, "I dont like it" and "I dont see it", it like like all your other reponses, it would be a waste of time
here is an example. I have asked you now, in nearly 15 posts to provide a single argument as to why anyone should deconvert. You presented nothing that I havent already responded to several times

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Dr Adequate
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Message 142 of 566 (596438)
12-14-2010 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 10:52 PM


Re: Please learn how to read, Dawn
Dawn Bertot, post #115 writes:
So do you have a reason why I should deconvert?
Dawn Bertot, post #138 writes:
Its not about me Moron

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Message 143 of 566 (596439)
12-14-2010 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 11:04 PM


Re: scriptural unity
here is an example. I have asked you now, in nearly 15 posts to provide a single argument as to why anyone should deconvert. You presented nothing that I havent already responded to several times
And you have in fact been provided with arguments. The fact that you personally have babbled incoherently about these arguments (or "responded to" them, as you like to call it) does not mean that they have not been provided. Indeed, it is hard to see how you could have "responded to" them had they not been provided.

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Message 144 of 566 (596440)
12-14-2010 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by arachnophilia
12-14-2010 5:30 PM


Re: scriptural unity
fun fact: none of the books of the new testament were written by people who personally knew christ (prior to the resurrection, in a real corporeal physical sense, anyways).
This is ofcourse a silly notion. One cannot conclude that no one knows who wrote the book, then conclude they were not written by the claimed authors
there is no reason to suggest that the claimed authors are not the authors, especially where inspiration is involved
Bruce and other qualified scholars place them squarely in the time they suggested as written
really Arch, surely you can do better than that
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 145 of 566 (596441)
12-14-2010 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Dr Adequate
12-14-2010 11:06 PM


Re: Please learn how to read, Dawn
Hello, Dr A. I noticed you never provided a theme or purpose for the Koran. Does it have a recognizable theme
Comparing it to the Bible is ofcourse idiotic, wouldnt you agree
Dawn Bertot

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Dawn Bertot
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Message 146 of 566 (596442)
12-14-2010 11:14 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Dr Adequate
12-14-2010 11:09 PM


Re: scriptural unity
And you have in fact been provided with arguments. The fact that you personally have babbled incoherently about these arguments (or "responded to" them, as you like to call it) does not mean that they have not been provided. Indeed, it is hard to see how you could have "responded to" them had they not been provided.
And of course I have responded to the ones that I had to sift through to actually find some sort of argument and the others take time, as I am encompassed with numerous responders
If you think I have missed something then simply present it
Dawn Bertot
Edited by Dawn Bertot, : No reason given.

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jar
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Message 147 of 566 (596443)
12-14-2010 11:18 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 11:04 PM


Re: scriptural unity
Dawn Bertot writes:
Since you will provide nothing more than, "I dont like it" and "I dont see it", it like like all your other reponses, it would be a waste of time
here is an example. I have asked you now, in nearly 15 posts to provide a single argument as to why anyone should deconvert. You presented nothing that I havent already responded to several times
Dawn, people are capable of tracking back and actually seeing what I have said and I doubt that they will find where I said "I dont like it" and "I dont see it" as you claim. In addition, they will be able to see I have presented an argument that you have avoided responding to.
But I am willing to try yet again.
quote:
LOL
And so once again you simply quote mine in order to avoid addressing what has been posted. In case you missed it, I'll gladly repost.
quote:
Dawn, no one in this thread has ever even suggested you should deconvert. If you are happy with your little bling-bling pimp daddy of a god, then by all means keep it. I knew a kid once that liked smelling gym socks.
The question was what would be a valid, supportable reason for deconversion.
You still refuse to support your assertions, try again and again to change the subject, take things out of context and ignore the questions asked.
People can read the thread Dawn, you fool no one but your self.
So, yet again:
quote:
Except, as expected, when asked to support your assertion in a thread devoted to examining the claimed clear representations of and about Christ and point directly to his life and ministry you simply refuse and say you don't have to support your assertions.
And, in addition, you once again refuse to answer the questions asked so I'll post them again.
quote:
Why if I look and find that there is no unity of doctrine and theme in the Bible (which is pretty obvious to anyone that understands there is not even such a thing as "The Bible") is that not sufficient and supportable reason to throw away the god and religion you try to market?
If I find the Bible to be just a collection of writings on a variety of subjects addressed to people of different eras and cultures, why is that not sufficient?


And if you believe there is actually a single Old Testament Prophecy that points to or relates to or refers to Jesus, then there is a thread open to discuss it.

Please note the bolded section that has been presented to you repeatedly.
In addition, did you say "Any of the Old Testament prophecies that are clear representations of and about Christ and point directly to his life and minisrty will suffice. Some are unmistakable that it cannot be missed except by someone trying to misapply them" yet continue to refuse to support that assertion?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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dwise1
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Message 148 of 566 (596446)
12-14-2010 11:21 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 10:52 PM


Re: Please learn how to read, Dawn
read post 137. Where does it Say, Dawn in the OP?
Read Message 115:
Dawn writes:
So do you have a reason why I should deconvert?
That is only one instance of you repeatedly demanding that we give you reasons why you personally, Dawn, should deconvert. Despite our repeatedly telling you that nobody has suggested such a scenario and that that is not what this topic is supposed to be about.
And now you are trying to claim that you had never asked for reasons why you should deconvert? You lying hypocrite!
Now quit stalling and answer the fucking question!
None of the deconversion discussion here nor in the other topic has ever been about you personally deconverting. Where the hell did you ever get that crazy idea?
No more lies!
message 115,

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Message 149 of 566 (596447)
12-14-2010 11:29 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Dawn Bertot
12-14-2010 11:11 PM


Re: Please learn how to read, Dawn
Hello, Dr A. I noticed you never provided a theme or purpose for the Koran. Does it have a recognizable theme
لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
Comparing it to the Bible is ofcourse idiotic, wouldnt you agree
Let's see. Comparing the holy book of one religion, claimed to be inspired by God, containing stories about Adam and Eve, Noah's Flood, the Exodus from Egypt, Jesus raising the dead ... with the holy book of another religion, claimed to be inspired by God, containing stories about Adam and Eve, Noah's Flood, the Exodus from Egypt, Jesus raising the dead ... ah yes, idiotic. I mean, where's the point of comparison?
No, clearly if the Bible should be compared with anything it should be compared with something with which it has some points of similarity, such as a giant inflatable rubber pineapple. That would make perfect sense.

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Message 150 of 566 (596449)
12-14-2010 11:30 PM
Reply to: Message 131 by arachnophilia
12-14-2010 5:13 PM


Re: scriptural unity
when one has actually read the scripture, one easily understands that quite a lot of it has nothing to do with your proposed themes.
for instance, what do you make of the books that don't even mention god?
well I have read it and studied it, so perhaps you could provide from one of them why I should become a non-believer
A bit vauge on the books that dont mention God. What is you point?
Dawn Bertot

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