Can a valid, supportable reason be offered for deconversion

learning and knowing the evidence behind the scriptures

Well there is some evidence. For example looking at the Isaiah story we can find evidence of the things mentioned actually happening, but only at that time, not over 600 years later.

Dawn Bertot writes:this of course would work in any other situation, excluding claims of inspiration and the miraculous. When someone claims this then attaches it to thier claims and prophecies, it immediately calls into question most of anything else they have to say

i know you honestly belief that and in some instances it may be true

On the other hand looking straight at the text. When the author claims inspiration from God, and the prophecy is said to have COME from God. it immediatley bolsters the fact that since God is involved in the prophecy it can and does have an expanded meaning

I am relatively sure you made these comments, but you have made no prophecies or claims to inspiration from God about your arguments.

The Bible and Isa makes these claims and they are either true or false

dwise1 writes:Dawn, please open your eyes. We're talking about the children raised in fundamentalist/evangelical/conservative Christian churches. Attending Christian schools throughout their childhoods. Or home-schooled. Going to "Jesus Camps" every summer. Getting thoroughly indoctrinated every day of their lives. That is no mere "association" with Chrisitian. That's drowning in it! And the painful process of deconversion that they describe proves it!

Why did you only address half of the points raised by arachnophilia?
Is it because you debate dishonestly; ignoring any information that contradicts your statements?

bluescat48 writes:That is the point, there is none. Only man's interpretation of the stories.

Dawn Bertot writes:His posts are uncessesarily lengthy and they repeat material already covered

you're looking at a form of confirmation bias, here, wise one. those that fall out of the church must not have been firmly grounded, because they fell out. this is sort of like the logic job's friends use on him. he must not have been a very good believer for god to curse him.

again, this is irrelevant. the source we're quoting could be an absolute pack of lies. or pure unadulterated fiction. it really doesn't matter how reliable the source is -- misquoting it, or quoting it out of context, is still intellectually dishonest.

Dawn writes:Please present what you think i have not responded to, ill demonstrate otherwise

arachnophilia writes:please cite me the chapter and verse in matthew in which the author of that text claims that god told him specifically what to write.

Dawn Bertot writes:Your position also assumes it has accurately taken care of anything we believe or accept as valid,[sic] to make the abover[sic] determination,[sic] it[sic] has not.

You have assumed incorrectly that Matthew has misrepresented Isa[sic]'s words. You make this assumption on the basis of the plain and simple reading of the text.

You then disregard the entire text which makes it clear these are not Isa[sic]'s words to begin with[sic]

You further disregard inspiration as irrelevant, which is clearly a part of the text[sic]

it[sic] would follow then that matthew[sic] was not misrepresenting Isa[sic]'s words and because inspiration is involved only inspiration could make known what Gods[sic] exact meaning in the words were.

You have falsely limited God to a then and now interpretation[sic]

At bare minimum your claim that matt[sic] misrepresents Isa[sic] is false, because they are not his words to begin with and that MY[sic] SIMPLE[sic] FRIEND[sic] IS[sic] WHAT[sic] THE[sic] TEXT[sic] INDICATES[sic] AND[sic] SAYS[sic] DIRECTLY[sic]

Arch[sic], Isa[sic], is it from man or God?

here[sic] is but a small example of how your MISUNDERSTANDING[sic] OF[sic] SCRIPTURE[sic] demonstrates that there is no "confirmation bias" on my part.

you[sic] simply cant go by the rules you set up[sic]

P.S. Arch[sic] Isa[sic], from God or man?

I expect you to hand wave this away as your dishonesty knows no bounds.
Your disingenuous debating tactics must make your god very proud.

10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.12And when ye come into an house, salute it.13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.