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Author Topic:   Matthew 28 versus John 20.
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Message 3 of 89 (595499)
12-08-2010 10:16 PM
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12-08-2010 9:48 PM


Why would they need to be reconciled?

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Message 9 of 89 (595536)
12-09-2010 8:59 AM
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12-09-2010 6:23 AM


Why reconcile?
Well, I reread the OP yet again and still see nothing in there that explains why they need to be reconciled. You point out that the stories contradict each other.
Okay.
But why do they need to be reconciled?
Edited by jar, : fix subtitle.

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Message 11 of 89 (595564)
12-09-2010 10:56 AM
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12-09-2010 10:47 AM


And the story, like all good folk tales, evolved and grew over those decades.

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Message 15 of 89 (595571)
12-09-2010 11:16 AM
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Belief in the resurrection is irrelevant to the content of the stories and tales.
The question in the OP seems to revolve around apparent contradictions in two versions of the tale. Whether or not you consider it a folk tale, the evidence certainly supports that designation. Like so many urban legends, what we find is a series of tales about the events that evolve over time.
Whether or not the resurrection is a fact, the tales about the event did vary and did evolve and the different versions do often disagree.

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Message 19 of 89 (595586)
12-09-2010 11:58 AM
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12-09-2010 11:53 AM


The topic
But it is irrelevant to the topic and honestly, pretty irrelevant to Jesus message IMHO as well.

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Message 35 of 89 (595687)
12-09-2010 9:31 PM
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Re: The topic
That implies that the source of a message is more important than the content.

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Message 38 of 89 (595690)
12-09-2010 9:55 PM
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12-09-2010 9:41 PM


Re: The topic
It depends on the message.

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Message 44 of 89 (595742)
12-10-2010 8:38 AM
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12-09-2010 11:28 PM


Re: The topic
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the message itself must stand or fall based on the content, not on the source.

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Message 46 of 89 (595778)
12-10-2010 11:05 AM
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Re: Any evidence?
GDR writes:
Jesus was right in both cases in that Jerusalem was flattened in 70 AD, but eventually Christianity and it's message of peace and love was established in Rome.
Huh?
In hoc signo vinces

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Message 54 of 89 (595829)
12-10-2010 3:47 PM
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12-10-2010 3:35 PM


Re: Any evidence?
Or even that "killing of Christians was a Sunday afternoons entertainment for the wife and kids" I imagine.

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Message 56 of 89 (595838)
12-10-2010 4:14 PM
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12-10-2010 3:56 PM


Re: Any evidence?
Well, there were periods when Christians like many other minorities were persecuted, and when state religions were imposed, but for each such example there are examples of Christians doing the persecution.

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Message 74 of 89 (596385)
12-14-2010 5:02 PM
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12-14-2010 4:07 PM


Re: The topic
But what if the people testifying were being inspired by a higher power? Why would this higher power inspire them to contradict each other?
Inspiration is not dictation.
"But what if the people testifying were being told what to say by a higher power?"
Then it's likely the higher power told them not to sound like the testimony was rehearsed.
The big question I still have not seen addressed is in Message 3.
Why would they need to be reconciled?

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Message 78 of 89 (596422)
12-14-2010 6:59 PM
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12-14-2010 6:48 PM


Re: The topic
I saw Message 28 but still see no explanation of why the passages need to be reconciled. Why is this any more of an issue then the added parts to Mark?
Those that believe there are no contradictions will simply not see a contradiction.

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