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Author Topic:   Matthew 28 versus John 20.
GDR
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Message 76 of 89 (596410)
12-14-2010 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by rstrats
12-14-2010 4:07 PM


Re: The topic
rstrats writes:
But what if the people testifying were being inspired by a higher power? Why would this higher power inspire them to contradict each other?
Inspiring someone to write an account is not the same as telling someone exactly what to write. I see the gospels as being written by people who wrote about either what they had observed, what had been handed down to them via the oral tradition or from earlier writings.

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Message 77 of 89 (596417)
12-14-2010 6:48 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by jar
12-14-2010 5:02 PM


Re: The topic
jar,
re: Inspiration is not dictation.
Agreed that it doesn’t have to be. Different details, ok - however, contradictions not so much.
re: The big question I still have not seen addressed is in Message 3.
See message #28.

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Message 78 of 89 (596422)
12-14-2010 6:59 PM
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12-14-2010 6:48 PM


Re: The topic
I saw Message 28 but still see no explanation of why the passages need to be reconciled. Why is this any more of an issue then the added parts to Mark?
Those that believe there are no contradictions will simply not see a contradiction.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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Message 79 of 89 (596500)
12-15-2010 7:49 AM
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12-14-2010 6:59 PM


Re: The topic
jar,
re: I saw Message 28 but still see no explanation of why the passages need to be reconciled.
Because if you were a person that asserts that there are no contradictions in the Bible it would seem to behoove you to explain why a specific one presented to you wasn’t one.
re: Why is this any more of an issue then the added parts to Mark?
I don’t see where I’ve said that it is.
re: Those that believe there are no contradictions will simply not see a contradiction.
And I’m simply asking why they think that way.

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Message 80 of 89 (599620)
01-09-2011 11:23 AM
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12-08-2010 9:48 PM


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Matthew 28:1-10 says that when Mary Magdalene went to the tomb that she was told by an angel that the Messiah had risen and would be seen in Galilee. Matthew then says that she ran "with great joy" to tell the disciples and while on the way that she met the Messiah (this occurred before she got to the disciples).
However, John 20:1 and 2 say that when she came to the tomb and didn’t find the Messiah there, that she ran to the disciples and told them that He had been taken away and that she didn’t know where He was. In Matthew she knew where He was (or at least had been) and where He would be, but in John she didn’t.
Also, Matthew has Mary encountering the Messiah before she gets to the disciples. But in John the encounter with the Messiah happens AFTER she talks to the disciples.
according to john she first went to the tomb then ran to get peter.
then she and peter and john went to the tomb.
peter and john left
and it was then that mary saw the angels and Jesus.
Then mary ran to the disciples again.
according to luke mary saw 2 'men' not angels when she first went to the tomb. Then she went to get peter
mathew skips over the part in red (mary leaving the tomb to get peter and john)
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Message 81 of 89 (599643)
01-09-2011 3:47 PM
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01-09-2011 11:23 AM


granpa,
So you’re saying that even though Matthew’s narrative singles out Mary Magdalene and the other Mary, that he is not including Mary M. in his mention of the women five verses later and the they eight verses later?
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Message 82 of 89 (599644)
01-09-2011 3:53 PM
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01-09-2011 3:47 PM


I dont see how you get that.
Reread what I wrote.

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Message 83 of 89 (599650)
01-09-2011 4:15 PM
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01-09-2011 3:53 PM


granpa,
re: "I dont see how you get that. Reread what I wrote."
So if Mary M. is included in verse five and verse eight, are you saying that the Matthew account is referring to a second time that she went to the tomb?
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Message 84 of 89 (599654)
01-09-2011 4:27 PM
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01-09-2011 4:15 PM


from verse 5 on, it must be referring to the 2nd time she went to the tomb

maybe the question you should be asking yourself is 'am I asking the right question'.

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Message 85 of 89 (599666)
01-09-2011 5:23 PM
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01-09-2011 4:27 PM


granpa,
re: maybe the question you should be asking yourself is 'am I asking the right question'.
Per your suggestion, I asked myself if I was asking the right question and concluded that it is indeed the question that I intended to ask.

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Message 86 of 89 (599667)
01-09-2011 5:31 PM
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01-09-2011 5:23 PM


that was my signature.

maybe the question you should be asking yourself is 'am I asking the right question'.

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Message 87 of 89 (599684)
01-09-2011 7:33 PM
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01-09-2011 5:23 PM


rstrats writes:
re: maybe the question you should be asking yourself is 'am I asking the right question'.
Per your suggestion, I asked myself if I was asking the right question and concluded that it is indeed the question that I intended to ask.
I came to the conclusion that "Am I asking the right question?" was not the right question to ask.

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Message 88 of 89 (610183)
03-27-2011 1:04 PM
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01-09-2011 7:33 PM


Panda,
re: "I came to the conclusion that 'Am I asking the right question?' was not the right question to ask."
What might the right question be, then?

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Message 89 of 89 (687160)
01-08-2013 8:16 AM
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12-08-2010 9:48 PM



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