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Peter
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Message 2 of 91 (50810)
08-18-2003 5:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by MattS
08-07-2003 3:08 PM


Perhaps we are just the DV tests and someone is creating
fault logs before going into full production ...

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Peter
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Message 14 of 91 (51012)
08-19-2003 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by crashfrog
08-19-2003 4:03 AM


Batman ...
.... and I thought the guys at DC (Bill Finger & Bob Kane)
were just ripping off the shadow

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Peter
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Message 15 of 91 (51014)
08-19-2003 9:42 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by Andya Primanda
08-19-2003 3:50 AM


Suppose some-one found a few pages of Detective Comics
#47 about 1000 years from now....
We know that the text/pictures was made by someone, but
how do we tell if the content is made-up or not?
The problem with teleology is, effectively, the same as the
common ancestor Vs common design argument. Either could
have happened, but the latter can have no direct evidence.
I can design anything anyway I want -- that the 'design' of
life on earth is somewhat shoddy is OK within an ID worldview,
since all that they are sayin is 'It was designed, see!!'
{Imagine that was Edward G. Robinson saying that }

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Peter
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Message 20 of 91 (51102)
08-19-2003 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Mammuthus
08-19-2003 11:09 AM


Re: Which Batman?
What about Lewis Wilson though -- he was surely the
first Batman!?!
Although I would follow THE Batman all the
way ........... to the bat-poles!!
....and Julie Newmar was way better than that Pfiefer woman

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Peter
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Message 41 of 91 (52332)
08-26-2003 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Mammuthus
08-20-2003 4:14 AM


quote:
we can tell when something is designed by humans
Unfortunately not even this is always true.
There are some formations in the oceans (esp. around Japan)
which some marine archeologists claim to be sunken city
remains while others say that they could be naturally formed.
Both have reasonably credible arguments, and a detrmination
is pretty much impossible.
The remains are so ancient, and have been underwater, that any
hope of tool-marks is gone.
One of my problems with evidence of design in bioogical systems
is knowing 'what' has been designed.
I'm not designed (as such) I was born and grew -- so what is it
in biological systems that is claimed to have been
designed?

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Peter
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Message 42 of 91 (52339)
08-26-2003 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by Parasomnium
08-20-2003 8:49 AM


I've swayed back and forth between thinking of 'intelligent
design' as tautological and not, for exactly the reason
you have mentioned.
As a verb, 'to design' REQUIRES a design intelligence.
This is, I think, why IDists focus on trying to proove that
biological systems were designed -- and therefore intelligently
so.
I think the use of the word 'design' for the end result of natural
processes is more for brevity -- otherwise we'd have to say
something like 'structures developed via natural processes which
have the appearance of design' all the time.
PS: Robin is a quitter -- he left and became Nightwing (which
was just a poor copy of the persona Batman took on in the bottled
city of Kandor) and his replacement (Jason Todd) got beaten to
death by the Joker -- how can Robinism be of any worth?!??

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Peter
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Message 44 of 91 (52458)
08-27-2003 4:20 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dan Carroll
08-26-2003 12:24 PM


quote:
Me, I'm a strict Millerite, who awaits the Dark Knight's Return. We ordain women as Robins, you know.
Yeah, but one slip and ... street pizza

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