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Author Topic:   Faith healing:proof of god, or placebo effect?
frako
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Message 16 of 77 (598114)
12-28-2010 7:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kairyu
12-27-2010 2:56 PM


Praying for the health of strangers who have undergone heart surgery has no effect, according to the largest scientific study ever commissioned to calculate the healing power of prayer.
In fact, patients who know they are being prayed for suffer a noticeably higher rate of complications, according to the study, which monitored the recovery of 1,800 patients after heart bypass surgery in the US.
The Times & The Sunday Times
Prayer seems to have an opposite effect lol
My guess is prayer has no effect at all or maybe a placebo effect if the one who is being prayed fore is really devout, and he knows he is being prayed fore. This study actually showed a bad effect from prayer 5% more of the people that knew they where being prayed fore developed complications tough this could be attributed to the fact that no 2 persons are the same and had the exacts same hart problem. My guess is if the number of patients used in the study was larger the numbers would be roughly the same.
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 32 of 77 (598260)
12-29-2010 7:02 PM


Personally i think faith healing is also overpublicised, i have an acquaintance he busted his back in an accident the doctors told him he would never walk again, he got really depressed and kept staering at the xray photos 1 month after he had been discharged he felt a burning sensation in his back and after that he could feel his legs now after moths of therapy he can walk as any normal person. The doctors are still scratching their heads. Tough he is not religious he never was, he never prayed for a miracle and i seriously doubt his brother or mother did.
Now had the person been a Christian and at least once said god had something to do with it it would be all over the news with pastors behind him saying how god is good and what not. Because he is not it hardly made the papers.
I think a lot of those so called healing miracles are only labeled miracles because we still know too little about the human body and its regenerative and healing abilities.

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frako
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Message 39 of 77 (598462)
12-31-2010 6:05 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Theodoric
12-30-2010 11:21 PM


Re: Astounding Science
I have a huge issue with alternative medicine.
So do i tough not all alternative medicine is mumbo jumbo, for instance if i have a headache i do not take an aspirin or any other pill (cause i dont like pills), i squeeze some lemon juice in to my coffee and it works better then an aspirin. My girlfriend has migranes i gave her some ginger after the pills did not help anymore and now she takes ginger insted of pills and it works beter.
Though if i ever get a serious illness i am not going to a witch doctor or a priest but a real doctor.

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frako
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Message 46 of 77 (598647)
01-01-2011 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Phage0070
12-31-2010 1:49 PM


Re: Astounding Science
A tiny amount of vitamin C and potassium isn't likely to effect your pain, and I would wager that you haven't the faintest justification for why it should. Its like you swallowed an Oxycodone pill with a swig of Gatorade and then started to swear by Gatorade as a painkiller.
So why dose it only work if i squeze a lemon in the coffee the coffee alone does not relive the hedache

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frako
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Message 49 of 77 (598767)
01-02-2011 5:06 AM
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01-01-2011 4:24 PM


Re: Astounding Science
I did a bit of research on it and the home remedy is all over the Internet the closest to what i have come to an explanation of what happens is that the mix expands your blood vessels.

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