Discovery Institute loses one

You mean the not-so-atheist who not-so-recanted his not-so-atheism in an interview that falsely claimed he had converted to Christianity? That guy?You know, people on your side make him out to be some kind of atheist rock star, but I had never heard of the guy before the Christians lied about what he had done and said; and even by then he had become a deist, not an atheist.I don't give a fuck what the old fart says, though. I realize that people who need their beliefs dictated to them from a book and a guy in a dress, like yourself, might have a hard time understanding this, but I don't need someone else to tell me why I'm an atheist, and what someone else believes has no bearing on what conclusions I come to. I'm an atheist because that's the inescapable intellectual conclusion from the evidence, not because some limey geezer does or does not agree.

I haven't seen any evidence, though, that he was ever an atheist. He's certainly asserted, many times, that atheism is the proper, logical presumption, and asserts that still, but that doesn't seem to stop him from believing in, in his words, "the God of Aristotle and Spinoza." Yeah. Somebody who believes in a non-interventionist creator God. Such a belief is not compatible with Christianity; deists are not, cannot be, Christians. No, it just absolutely negates the significance. So some old geezer changes his mind. Why should any atheist care? What evidence? If you had actually read anything by Flew, you would know that atheism is the appropriate presumption so long as there's a lack of evidence for God. Now, unless folks like you have substantially altered their positions, that's still true. Even Flew, as recently as March of this year, asserts that it's still true. That's right - Flew still asserts that atheism is still the proper, most logical presumption.Does that sound like a watershed conversion to Christianity, or a sweeping recantation of atheism, to you? I have a boss. Two of them, in fact. It doesn't particularly bother me. I have absolutely no idea what "psychological state" you think you're referring to, here.And you haven't answered my question. What is the relevance of Flew's beliefs? And here's another question - why do you feel that Flew is so important that you had to misrepresent his beliefs?This message has been edited by crashfrog, 09-27-2005 11:02 PM