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bluescat48
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Message 76 of 111 (600721)
01-16-2011 5:33 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by jar
01-16-2011 4:25 PM


Re: attending a mosque?
And again, if Obama was a Muslim, so what?
I agree with this question. To add to that, where in the Constitution does it say a Muslim or for that matter a Hindu, Confucianist, Buddhist, Diest, Agnostic or Atheist can't be president?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Message 77 of 111 (600724)
01-16-2011 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 3:57 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
OK so you have SOME evidence, but it is pretty feeble. So let's look at it:
1) Obama was registered as a Muslim in a school system that REQUIRED registration as a member of some religion. Which in effect did no more than say which religion they should be instructed in for 2 hours a week. However, we cannot conclude from this that Obama ever took the step of actually accepting Islam.
2) He occasionally went to a mosque as a child - with his stepfather. This indicates a lack of any serious devotion to Islam. Even a childhood enthusiasm for Islam would fall short of being really good evidence - and this is far less. As a child I probably spent far more tine in Church or Sunday School or church activities than Obama did in a mosque and I'm not a Christian.
In fact I would point out that the mere fact that those looking for "evidence" have to reach back so far (Obama left Indonesia at the age of 10) is strong evidence that Obama is not a Muslim. It is simply looking at the wrong period of his life. Why not, say, his college years ? (Or does the fact that Occidental College was founded by Presbyterians "prove" that Obama was a Christian at that time ?)

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Message 78 of 111 (600729)
01-16-2011 7:43 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by bluescat48
01-16-2011 5:33 PM


Re: attending a mosque?
bluescat48 writes:
I agree with this question. To add to that, where in the Constitution does it say a Muslim or for that matter a Hindu, Confucianist, Buddhist, Diest, Agnostic or Atheist can't be president?
It has mostly to do with honesty and forthrightness. Likely, were the truth known, he would not have been elected. Why? Because Islamic doctrine and law as practiced in most majority Muslim nations are incompatible with things in the Constitution like free exercise of religion and speech, etc.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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jar
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Message 79 of 111 (600730)
01-16-2011 7:50 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 7:43 PM


Re: attending a mosque?
Buzsaw writes:
bluescat48 writes:
I agree with this question. To add to that, where in the Constitution does it say a Muslim or for that matter a Hindu, Confucianist, Buddhist, Diest, Agnostic or Atheist can't be president?
It has mostly to do with honesty and forthrightness. Likely, were the truth known, he would not have been elected. Why? Because Islamic doctrine and law as practiced in most majority Muslim nations are incompatible with things in the Constitution like free exercise of religion and speech, etc.
Which why your position is so silly, all you can point to is as expected, that you think the US voter is totally ignorant of what the powers of the President are and how the US political system operates!
In the US we have a Constitution and distributed power so that the President is limited in what he can do.
So once again Buz, why would it matter if he was a Muslim?
Do you have anything to offer other than claiming that the voters are totally ignorant of the US political system?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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bluescat48
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Message 80 of 111 (600734)
01-16-2011 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 7:43 PM


Re: attending a mosque?
And he was honest, he is a Christian. Just because the tea nuts think he is a Muslim means nothing. The point is why if he was a Muslim would it matter?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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onifre
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Message 81 of 111 (600737)
01-16-2011 8:15 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 7:43 PM


Re: attending a mosque?
Because Islamic doctrine and law as practiced in most majority Muslim nations are incompatible with things in the Constitution like free exercise of religion and speech, etc.
Are you suggesting that a US president who happens to be muslim, obviously born here in the US, would try to change the Constitution to Sharia law? That is ridiculous to suggest, if you are, Buz.
Likely, were the truth known, he would not have been elected.
The truth is none of your business. A persons religious beliefs have no baring on whether he/she can be president. I personally believe he is at best an agnostic, probably even an atheist, playing the role of a christian because an atheist more than likely wouldn't be elected in the US.
Although I am curious about that. I would love to see it tested. I think we'd be very surprised to see many Americans side with a level headed atheist. Maybe that's just wishful thinking...
But in any case, I wouldn't care, as an atheist, if he were a closet atheist and claimed to be christian. I get why he would. Or for that matter, a closet muslim claiming to be christian. I get why he would do that - because of people like you, and Coyote, who feel just being a muslim is for some reason a terrible thing. His religious beliefs or non-beliefs can't change the Constitution. Ever! Why would you care?
- Oni

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Buzsaw
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Message 82 of 111 (600741)
01-16-2011 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by ringo
01-16-2011 4:49 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
ringo writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Obama and the mainstream Democrat oriented liberal media has propagated the stealth Islamic religion of our president.
I asked you a question back in Message 56:
quote:
So your claim then is that Obama is perceived as a Muslim by Muslims? Do you have any evidence from Muslims to suggest that?
Back during Obama's campaign Hamas Terrorists supported his bid for president, in spite of his bogus verbal commitment to Israel. Back in '08 during his campaign I predicted that he would undermine Israel. Now, in retrospect the sheeple should know why Hamas liked him.
Hamas likes Obama
quote:
While maintaining an ironclad commitment to Israel's security, Barack Obama says he understood why a top Hamas adviser voiced support for his presidential bid.
"It's conceivable that there are those in the Arab world who say to themselves, 'This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein and appears more worldly and has called for talks with people, and so he's not going to be engaging in the same sort of cowboy diplomacy as George Bush,'" Obama said in an interview with The Atlantic.
"That's a perfectly legitimate perception as long as they're not confused about my unyielding support for Israel's security," Obama said.
Last month, Ahmed Yousef, a political adviser to the militant Palestinian group, told an interviewer on WABC radio that "We like Mr. Obama" and "we hope that he will win the election."
Go figure. Hamas would not support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. The whole Arab block of nations understood who Obama is/was. The US sheeple, for the most part, hadn't/haven't a clue, except Louis Farrakhan, his buddy, Obama's pastor, Jeremiah Wright and the rest of the Nation of Islam constituency who malign the US of A.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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jar
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Message 83 of 111 (600742)
01-16-2011 9:22 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 9:17 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
Buz writes:
Hamas would not support a professing Christian supporter of Israel.
Yet once again, your very own links refute your position; Hamas did support a professing Christian supporter of Israel.
But once again, why should the US support Israel?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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ringo
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Message 84 of 111 (600743)
01-16-2011 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 9:17 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
Buzsaw writes:
Hamas would not support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. The whole Arab block of nations understood who Obama is/was.
Your own source doesn't support that claim. It says that Hamas prefered Obama to McCain. Maybe others in the Muslim world did too. Certainly the American voters did.
Buzsaw writes:
The US sheeple....
Stop calling them that. It's an insult to democracy. You're implying that only people who agree with you have minds of their own.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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Buzsaw
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Message 85 of 111 (600749)
01-16-2011 11:00 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by jar
01-16-2011 9:22 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
jar writes:
Yet once again, your very own links refute your position; Hamas did support a professing Christian supporter of Israel.
But once again, why should the US support Israel?
You ARE a sheeple if you think Hamas would support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. Hamas supported a professing Christian who SAID he would support Israel and has undermined Israel while assuring their enemies ever since he took office.
Our nation has wisely supported Israel ever since they became a nation, being the two lone votes in the UN on many occasions. Were it not for that tiny island of resistance to the absolute Muslim dominance of the Middle East and perhaps the planet, we'd all be worse off.
Biblically, nations supportive of Israel will be blessed by Jehovah and those not, cursed. That has held true throughout history. Now that we're reneging, disaster after disaster has plagued our nation.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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jar
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Message 86 of 111 (600751)
01-16-2011 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 11:00 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
Sheeple is a term appropriate for use by Elementary school children, but once kiddies get into Middle School it just garners chuckles.
Buz writes:
Biblically, nations supportive of Israel will be blessed by Jehovah and those not, cursed. That has held true throughout history. Now that we're reneging, disaster after disaster has plagued our nation.
Once again you simply show that you have no idea of what is actually in the Bible, that the Nation of Israel was often condemned and abandoned by the God you call Jehovah.
Your source itself says that Hamas support Obama and YOU even admit that he is a professing Christian, and you have yet to present any evidence that the US has not continued to support the modern nation of Israel.
Israel is a terrorist nation and is still occupying territory that is not theirs.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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bluescat48
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Message 87 of 111 (600756)
01-17-2011 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 82 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 9:17 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
This is a guy who spent some time in the Muslim world, has a middle name of Hussein
So he has a Arabic Middle name so what? From your implication all Adolphs are Nazis and all Hos are conmmunists. Are All Jesuses Christian? Are all Davids Jewish(Religion)? A given name means nothing.
Hussien is Arabic
Adolph is German
Ho is Vietnamese
Jesus is a Greek corruption of Yeshua (sp)
David is Israeli (ancient)

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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frako
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Message 88 of 111 (600762)
01-17-2011 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 11:00 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
Biblically, nations supportive of Israel will be blessed by Jehovah and those not, cursed. That has held true throughout history. Now that we're reneging, disaster after disaster has plagued our nation.
So if Israel annexed New York and built a wall so no dirty Americans can come in to new York you would support that ?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 89 of 111 (600800)
01-17-2011 10:46 AM
Reply to: Message 85 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 11:00 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
You ARE a sheeple if you think Hamas would support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. Hamas supported a professing Christian who SAID he would support Israel and has undermined Israel while assuring their enemies ever since he took office.
By giving them billions of dollars. I wish someone would undermine me like that.
Biblically, nations supportive of Israel will be blessed by Jehovah and those not, cursed. That has held true throughout history. Now that we're reneging, disaster after disaster has plagued our nation.
Yeah,, there was 9/11, Hurricane Katrina, the stock market crash of 2008 ... oh, wait ...

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Buzsaw
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Message 90 of 111 (600808)
01-17-2011 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 84 by ringo
01-16-2011 9:46 PM


Re: Obama's Drive
ringo writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Hamas would not support a professing Christian supporter of Israel. The whole Arab block of nations understood who Obama is/was.
Your own source doesn't support that claim. It says that Hamas prefered Obama to McCain. Maybe others in the Muslim world did too. Certainly the American voters did.
My point that was that they would not have supported any Christian or pro-Israel candidate; either Obama or McCain.
Likely on Obama's blitzkrieg like campaign tour of Europe during his campaign he bloviated where ever he went on what tickled their respective ears so as to get global approval for his campaign.
Sunni Hamas, Muslim nations (particullarly Sunni), knowing his background, religiously and ideologically knew full well that he would be supportive to their best interests over those of Israel.
ringo writes:
Buzsaw writes:
The US sheeple....
Stop calling them that. It's an insult to democracy. You're implying that only people who agree with you have minds of their own.
No ringo. No & no. It's the sheeple who blindly went to the poles, ignorant of Obama's ties to freedom undermining terrorist, Bill Ayers, his wife Bernadine Dohrn, Frank Marshal Davis, avowed Communist, socialist billionaire, George Soros, Nation of Islam constituents like Obama's 20 year pastor/mentor , Louis Farrakan, leftist activist Acorn, etc, etc, who are the real threat to our great republic (not democracy).
It's the sheeple who are either indifferent or ignorant of Obama's strategy of demolishing the US $$ so as to usher in a global New World so as to rule in every aspect, monetarily, religiously, etc, and to make war with true Christian saints, killing all who refuse to worship the speaking image (TV tech) according to the prophet John in Revelation 13. The same prophet prophesies that the mode of execution would be beheading; Revelation 20:4.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Time Relates To What Is Temperal. What Is Eternal Is Timeless.

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