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Panda
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Message 7 of 182 (599693)
01-09-2011 8:39 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Dr Adequate
01-08-2011 11:29 AM


Not sure if it is counter-intuitive per se, but Archimedes' Screw:
I don't why, but it sets off a false-positive on my bullshit meter.
It all 'seems wrong'.
Edited by Panda, : typo

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Message 13 of 182 (599736)
01-10-2011 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by jar
01-10-2011 10:48 AM


jar writes:
That summer and winter are not related to how close the earth is to the sun.
On a similar vein: the phases of the moon not being caused by the Earth.

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Message 17 of 182 (599747)
01-10-2011 11:53 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Jon
01-10-2011 11:08 AM


jon writes:
That I exist.
Your intuition/common sense tells you that you do not exist?

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Message 19 of 182 (599750)
01-10-2011 12:32 PM
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01-10-2011 12:21 PM


Jon writes:
Panda writes:
Your intuition/common sense tells you that you do not exist?
Well that's not what I said...
...but you are too much of a tosser to clarify what you meant.
*nods*

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Message 21 of 182 (599753)
01-10-2011 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Iblis
01-10-2011 12:33 PM


Iblis writes:
Even if it does end up qualifying in some sense, you are still a pretentious ass for posting it, because the mere fact of having to dig into some gay philosophical bullshit to get whatever old rotten meat might be there means it doesn't qualify for the detailed qualifiers.
Thank you for providing the eloquence I am currently lacking.

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Message 24 of 182 (599757)
01-10-2011 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Granny Magda
01-10-2011 12:37 PM


Re: Floating Cannonball
Granny Magda writes:
I believe the scientific explanation for this is that the cannonball weighs the same as a duck.
We should burn the cannonball as a witch!!
My physics teacher filled a large tray with mercury and floated various chunks of metal in it.
Even in front of your own eyes it still looks 'all wrong'.

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Message 91 of 182 (600290)
01-13-2011 6:44 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Dr Adequate
01-12-2011 9:50 PM


Dr A writes:
Why not?
Weight is not affected by velocity.
You can't increase your weight by moving quickly (unless you approach the speed of light maybe?).
Edited by Panda, : added question mark

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Message 96 of 182 (600312)
01-13-2011 9:09 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by dwise1
01-13-2011 8:52 PM


Re: tripping stoplight sensors with a bicycle
dwise1 writes:
But knowing what kind of sensor that door used would help in figuring out what had happened.
If you let your imagination 'run riot', there seems to be too many possibilities.
The sliding doors were on a tube train?
The sliding doors were opened by a security guard inside?
The sliding doors were locked because they led to a shop which closed after the previous people entered?
The sliding doors were on a lift?
etc...

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Message 98 of 182 (600360)
01-14-2011 6:03 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Dr Adequate
01-13-2011 11:31 PM


Dr Adequate writes:
But obviously such a device doesn't measure weight as such. If you hit a set of bathroom scales with a sledgehammer, does it just register the weight of the hammer?
'Logic problems' often rely on incorrect interpretation of words for them to work.
e.g. "What walks on 4 legs, then 2 then 3?" is intentionally misleading as '3 legs' includes a walking stick.
I was thinking that the use of the word 'weight' was the 'trick'.
Obviously, in reality, pressure mats are triggered by any type of downward force (including weight and momentum).

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Message 101 of 182 (600410)
01-14-2011 11:49 AM
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01-14-2011 11:09 AM


Dr A writes:
I distinctly said that my leap was vertical;
You distinctly said the sensors detected your weight too.

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Message 111 of 182 (600510)
01-14-2011 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2011 6:55 PM


Re: Counter-Intuitive Math
The Monty Hall Problem seems to cause people a lot of grief.
quote:
Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?
Luckily, when I first heard of it, it was from a very clever friend who successfully explained it to me in 30 seconds.
I did once see a forum thread that dragged on for over a year with people constantly arguing back and forth about what the correct answer was.

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Message 113 of 182 (600517)
01-14-2011 10:14 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by Dr Adequate
01-14-2011 9:46 PM


Re: Counter-Intuitive Math
Dr A writes:
The most intuitive explanation I can think of is this.
In the thread (mentioned previously) they went to far more effort than that (after trying your explanation and getting nowhere).
They posted code (in various languages) so that people could see the actual results.
They had graphs and Venn diagrams and...well, everything you could think of and more.
But it is so counter-intuitive that some people never understand.
It is annoying that I can't find that thread again.
It was epic and epic fail simultaneously.
Edited by Panda, : No reason given.

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Message 115 of 182 (600522)
01-14-2011 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 114 by RAZD
01-14-2011 10:34 PM


Re: Counter-Intuitive Math
RADZ writes:
Simply put, the contestant will be wrong 2/3rds of the time, and the host will obligingly eliminate the other wrong choice.
Succinctly put? Maybe.
Simply put? Not so much.
My favourite comment is:
If you switch, you halve your chance of winning a goat! *sadface*
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Message 120 of 182 (600613)
01-15-2011 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by xongsmith
01-15-2011 3:27 PM


Re: Dr. A's doors
xongsmith writes:
It would be helpful if Dr. A could wag his finger at jar & myself, saying something like "Nice try, but Wrong."
The answer is here: Message 69.

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Message 131 of 182 (600676)
01-16-2011 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 125 by slevesque
01-16-2011 3:22 AM


Re: Counter-Intuitive Math
slevesque writes:
Now, if in the first scenario he knows where the prize is, then you should change your choice when asked to. While in the second (seemingly identical) scenario he does not know where the prize is, then it doesn't matter if you change or not, you'll have the same odds of winning.
I am not sure I agree with this (I've not given it too much thought), but I think I have accidentally swamped Dr. A's thread with messages about Monty Hall.
If it's ok with you, I'd rather leave this as an unfinished discussion than continue to usurp this interesting thread.

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