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ringo
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Message 33 of 189 (599928)
01-11-2011 3:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 29 by ApostateAbe
01-11-2011 3:11 PM

ApostateAbe writes:
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The issue is whether the religion of Islam contributes to violent tendencies among Muslims.
You might as well argue that cars contribute to drunk-driving deaths. Cars produce far more deaths than if they were replaced by a more peaceful mode of transportation, such as bicycles. Cars are a direct causal link to drunk-driving deaths.
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ringo
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Message 36 of 189 (599934)
01-11-2011 4:22 PM 		Reply to: Message 34 by ApostateAbe
01-11-2011 4:13 PM

ApostateAbe writes:
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You can't just puke an analogy poorly connected to the discussion and hope the rest of us will get it.
I beg to differ. That's my standard MO.
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ApostateAbe writes:
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The violent passages in the Koran correspond to alcohol, which is not a risk as long as Muslims do not have the access to the means to kill people, which corresponds to cars.
The violent passages in the Qur'an correspond to the car's bumper, which is not a risk as long as it isn't used irresponsibly. In drunk driving as in drunk reading, the problem is the drunkenness and the subsequent misuse of the car or book. The car or book is not to blame.
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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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ringo
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Message 65 of 189 (600047)
01-12-2011 1:45 AM 		Reply to: Message 64 by ApostateAbe
01-11-2011 11:48 PM

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To many such people, I suppose, nothing can convince them that anything is wrong with the religion of Islam.
If there was something "wrong" with the religion of Islam, what could you do about it? How does it benefit you to know something is "wrong" unless you can do something about it?
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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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ringo
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Message 72 of 189 (600081)
01-12-2011 11:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 67 by ApostateAbe
01-12-2011 10:39 AM

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When the religion of Islam itself is blamed for the violent actions of the adherents, when the danger of the religious scriptures that they believe are made clear, then it will be weakened among the generation who inherits the religion.
Blaming the religion itself instead of the people who are to blame will only alienate the good ones like the ones in the OP and enflame the bad ones.
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Apostate Abe writes:
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The relatively peaceful form of Christianity we have today emerged from centuries of criticism from the inside and the outside.
The changes in Christianity have more to do with political changes - e.g. democracy - than with criticism from inside or outside.
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"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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