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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
To the extent that she somehow coerced an insane man to commit murder is terribly asinine, and I find a bigger correlation between the media's lackluster ratings and their penchant to politicize anything. A cheap and lowly ploy, really. I think any attempt to draw parallels does so on the pretense of a false dichotomy. Your thoughts? What dichotomy are you referring to? The Left/Right one? Out of curiosity, if Palin had said that she wished someone would shoot the person, do you think she would then have some responsibility for it? Or if she called supporters to shoot someone, how about then? There has to be some point where she is capable of having some responsibility, no? Here's the "crosshairs image":
I don't think its that bad. Plus, how much input do you think Palin actually had on what this image looked like and whether or not it was used?
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Yeah, obviously, if she instructed people to kill her political opposition, she would be held liable to some degree. That's a non-point though. I was just establishing and making sure that you weren't taking the position that she wouldn't ever be responsible. I found some ambiguity in these lines:
quote: I just wanted to make sure we're on the same page...
The point is that the crosshairs are references to Representatives supporting ObamaCare, not a "hit list" targetting people for assassination. Yup, I agree. I don't think the crosshairs are that bad. Its interesting that the victim did mention them before hand though, and if Palin is deleting things she's put out there, then that does raise some red flags.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
Oh wow. I was going to joke that if the map had archery targets on it instead of "crosshairs", would that mean that she wanted people to go after them with bows and arrows.
I hadn't seen that before, thanks.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
I haven't read much about this incident.
Do they have any ideas why he did it? Because of her stance on healthcare, or immigration or something?
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However, given the strained political environment in the US right now I tend to suspect a political motivation. He shot a member of Congress... of course it was a political motivation I wonder if he was angry about something, or if he was calmly trying making a point.
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He shot a member of Congress... of course it was a political motivation
Brinkley was not politically motivated when he shot Reagan. Brinkley was motivated by his infatuation with Jodie Foster. He thought shooting Reagan would endear her to him. I was more or less hedging my bet in case Loughner turns out to be completely psychotic. I've been surfing the webs about this Loughner guy... looked at his youtube channel, saw some of his vids, his myspace is down. Watch some news vids on him, his ex-girlfriends, etc. Psychiatrists speculating that he's schitzo. It looks to me like he is nuts and also had political motivation. He bitched about currency, and language, and... ding ding ding - - - mind control Looks like he lost his mind during the same time he became more interested in politics. I doubt Palin's "Crosshair" map had anything to do with this guy and his motivations at all.
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I am more curious about how he was affected by the overtly violent rhetoric that the Tea Party was putting out. Perhaps he wasn't affected at all, I don't know. However, it is still irresponsible to push a political agenda with threats of violence. Hopefully, this is a wake up call for the Tea Party. Why are we all assuming that he was right-wing and listened to the Tea Party?
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Why do you assume he would have had to be a right-winger Tea Partier to be influenced by right-wing assassination language? Because otherwise he'd just roll his eyes.
Honestly Jared Loughner's political beliefs seem to be utterly irrelevant; they have absolutely nothing to do with whether conservative assassination speech contributed to his decision to attempt to assassinate a member of congress. How much does it influence your decisions?
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Why are we all assuming that he was right-wing and listened to the Tea Party?
Because that's what the left-wing media, and others such as the idiot sheriff, started telling us within a couple of hours after the shootings. That's true. People are calling for that Sherriffs resignation. He came right out with speculation, on camera, and then totally flip-flopped it to the opposite. It went from Loughner having an accomplice and having done stuff like this before to this being his first time and he did it alone.
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I am more curious about how he was affected by the overtly violent rhetoric that the Tea Party was putting out. Perhaps he wasn't affected at all, I don't know. However, it is still irresponsible to push a political agenda with threats of violence. Hopefully, this is a wake up call for the Tea Party. Why are we all assuming that he was right-wing and listened to the Tea Party? Because that's what the left-wing media, and others such as the idiot sheriff, started telling us within a couple of hours after the shootings. That's actually a complete lie. Nobody's asserted that Sarah Palin gave this guy marching orders - WTF?
merely that conservative assassination rhetoric has fostered an environment where these events are sadly predictable. The "prediction" was simply that there'd be consequences. Its not as predictable as your making it out to be.
I'm sorry that you're feeling so deeply ashamed and defensive, Coyote, but defending your side isn't so important that you have to tell lies about this tragedy. Physician. Heal thyself! From Message 43:
Why? Remember, we're talking about someone crazy. Well then we could just as well speculate about how much The Itchy and Scratchy Show influenced him instead of conservative taglines. If fact, that is the point being made in this thread.
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For the same reasons that Palin assumed it, which is why she sterilized her tweets and websites. Non sequitor.
It's a rather obvious connection.
What do you know about Loughlin that makes it so obvious? Some of the stuff about him goes against being a conservative. He's apparently an atheist, in that one of his youtube video says he refuses to put trust in God. One of his favorite books was the Communist Manifesto. His favorite youtube video was of an American flag burning. There's the tweets from people who knew him that say that he was left-wing.
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In the US he would be consider far-left or ultra-left. Like hippy chicks?
Remember "left-wing" here in the US is the common term for most center-left democrats. Yeah, well... left-wing none-the-less.
Although you are using it the right way because it was original a term coined for socialist or communist, others may interpret it wrong because here it became generalized. I hate politics and the goofy-ass definitions it uses.
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And? That was wrong, too. I'm so sick of right-wingers and their infantile responses to criticism which essentially boil down to "well, they started it! They do it, too!" Why do conservatives interpret an across the board call for less violent rhetoric as a personal affront? As an attack? Guilty conscience? No, its because the left side has the holier-than-thou attitude... but they're not as holy as they think they are so it must be pointed out. Remeber, if you disagree with the left, then there is something wrong with your brain
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A lot of people, too, are bring up Obama's "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."
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