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Author Topic:   What is design? Can we not find evidence of design on earth or in the universe?
Parasomnium
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Message 6 of 185 (485096)
10-05-2008 6:40 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by NOT JULIUS
10-03-2008 7:34 PM


Anthropic reasoning voided
This is a classic example of anthropic reasoning. The idea is that some finetuning took place in order to make life on earth possible. Of course, in reality the reverse it true: life arises only there where it is possible for it to arise. If the earth had been too close to the sun, or too far away from it for life to arise, then life would obviously not have arisen on earth and we would not be having this conversation.

Ask yourself this question: why is it that Mercurians, Venutians, Martians, Jovians, Saturnians, Uranians, Neptunians and Plutonians, all of them, without exception, do not wonder why the circumstances regarding their planet - its atmosphere, its orbit, etc - are so miraculously finetuned as to allow their own existence? The reason none of these races wonder about it is that none of these races exist. This is because the circumstances are in fact NOT very suitable for the emergence of life on their respective planets.

Simplified, you can think of a solar system as a continuum of orbits where water either freezes, stays liquid, or boils and evaporates. Liquid water happens to be a necessary asset for life as we know it to exist. Therefore, the range of orbits where water stays liquid forms a life-friendly niche. There are probably billions of solar systems in the universe. So if some of them have a rocky planet in the range of orbits allowing liquid water, life could arise there. This is what happened in our solar system, and there really is nothing miraculous about it.


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Parasomnium
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Message 85 of 185 (485577)
10-09-2008 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by NOT JULIUS
10-08-2008 11:31 PM


Re: Read Post # 75
I'm not arguing that the earth being habitable as the SOLE argument of design. I am arguing that a combination of factors--the right distance of the earth from the sun, AND the right condition of the earth, among others--is towards a GOAL, Life.

Compounding the issue is inconsequential, the principle remains the same. It is true that more than one condition must be fulfilled for life to arise somewhere. But is it also a fact that life arose on earth. Therefore, all the necessary conditions must have been fulfilled, or life would not have arisen.

Think of a lottery. If all of a million tickets are sold, then it's guaranteed that someone will win the lottery. The person who wins may think it an extraordinary event, but viewed objectively, it's obvious that someone had to win.

Sometimes thinking outside one box just results in thinking inside another box.


"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?

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