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Author Topic:   What is design? Can we not find evidence of design on earth or in the universe?
Agobot
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Message 103 of 185 (486265)
10-17-2008 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by onifre
10-17-2008 7:47 PM


Re: I'm Sorry I Broke a promise--Is it a question of Identity
I like "the designer of fruits" bit the most. :)


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion"

-Albert Einstein


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Message 114 of 185 (486561)
10-22-2008 1:12 PM
Reply to: Message 113 by Huntard
10-22-2008 12:54 PM


Re: A sampling of their Answers
Huntard writes:

I think this is quite right, science can never PROVE there is no designer. However looking at the current state of things, there is NOTHING that points to there being one.

Except that there is a whole universe, life, intelligence and consciousness, that allegedly self-created themselves. I wish money would start self-creating itself, it would be fun, right? You believe in miracles, that should be a religion by itself.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion"

-Albert Einstein


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Agobot
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Message 116 of 185 (486581)
10-22-2008 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by Huntard
10-22-2008 3:16 PM


Re: A sampling of their Answers
Huntard writes:

And I don't see how a universe creating itself points to a designer

You've just said - "And I don't see how a pool of energy creating itself into a universe and life points to a designer".

When you think of universe and life, have a look around your room. What a wonderful coincidence that energy managed to turn itself into a house for your 100 trillion cells human body by chance. What a wonderful coincidence that energy can create a mother and father for you. What a wonderful coincidence that energy created a planet for you that could sustain your existence. What a great coincidence that energy managed to turn itself into computers that we can use to communicate over the internet. But wait - what are you? If you know the answer to this question, you've unlocked all the mysteries.


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion"

-Albert Einstein


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Agobot
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Message 118 of 185 (486584)
10-22-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 117 by Huntard
10-22-2008 5:44 PM


Re: A sampling of their Answers
Huntard writes:

I'm not sure I'm following you, if it created ITSELF, there is no outside creator, now is there. Unless you're meaning the universe itself is the creator.

It surely created itself, it's just that your description is not thourough. What you believe in, is not possible without a blueprint, physical laws and some constants(which couldn't come from anywhere but a creator). Your belief is religious and is the product of an overly secular society of which i am a part as well, but the efforts to keep the idea of creators aside is worthwhile. The ultimate truth of reality is creepy.

Huntard writes:

As to what I am, I'd say nothing more then a collection of atoms and energy. I don't feel particularly enlightened by that though. There are still enough mysteries left for me.

You are not just atoms and energy(which are the same thing BTW). You have no idea how much more you are and how little you are from a different perspective. The difference between the 2 is what you call "I". That difference is so hard to explain that you cannot but agree with Einstein:

"We still do not know one thousandth of one percent of what nature has revealed to us."

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion"

-Albert Einstein


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Message 120 of 185 (486586)
10-22-2008 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Straggler
10-22-2008 6:12 PM


Re: A sampling of their Answers
Straggler writes:

If there has to be a first "uncaused cause" according to your thinking why would you not conclude that the one thing that you know exists is it?

Because we are mortals, and because we didn't create ourselves. We are not even owners of what we think we are(your all body morphology wasn't chosen by you, it was given to you whether you like it or). We are just a product, a result of a chain of events.

Straggler writes:

On what basis would you conclude a yet more complex phenomenon that itself is even more unlikely to be uncaused? Especially given that there is no rational or evidenced reason to suppose this even more complex phenomenon actually exists

Evidence? The little speck of energy that floats into an ocean of energy that it calls an universe wants evidence for the source of the energy? It almost sounds romantic. I wish we could establish a connection with the creators, i bet what you call science can do that one day.


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion"

-Albert Einstein


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Agobot
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Message 122 of 185 (486590)
10-22-2008 7:23 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Straggler
10-22-2008 6:42 PM


Re: A sampling of their Answers
Straggler writes:

We know the universe exists.
We do not know that a creator exists

Does assuming that which we do not even know exists was the first uncaused rather than that which we know does exist was the first uncaused make any sense?

On what basis?

On the basis, that somewhere down the line of creational regress, there will be something that is not bound by time(which is somewhat different to being eternal).
We don't even know what we are and you are asking why we don't know what the creator is. It's a complete miracle we know ANYTHING at all, considering what we truly are.

Agobot writes:

Evidence? The little speck of energy that floats into an ocean of energy that it calls an universe wants evidence for the source of the energy? It almost sounds romantic. I wish we could establish a connection with the creators, i bet what you call science can do that one day.

Straggler writes:

The little speck of energy that answers the other speck has irrationally decided that we need to regress the uncaused one extra layer.

If scientific findings can fool Einstein, S.Hawking, Michio Kaku, etc you can bet they can fool me too. That's all there is to human logic and understanding, it can be wrong. I just don't believe in that 1:10^2998 chance that would be necessary for the universe to be what it is. And even then there are things that even 1:10^infinity chance would not explain, i am not buying that theory, it's way too wild and my imagination is obviously lacking the capacity to picture infinities in every possible direction.

Do you believe in infinite number of infinities? Is that what keeps an atheist's faith alive?

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind"

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion"

-Albert Einstein


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Agobot
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Message 123 of 185 (486607)
10-23-2008 4:43 AM


I can't let go of those physical laws and constants magically arising from the singularity, this is just a too great paradox to swallow. Here is what i've just come across from renowned physicist Michio Kaku on this matter:

Dr. Kaku, what is your opinion on science and religion? Are the two in opposition or can there be harmony?

"They can be in harmony, but only if rational people on both sides engage in honest debate. Einstein believed in two types of Gods, for example. He did not believe in a personal God, or a God of intervention. He did not believe that God answered our prayers. But he did believe that there was a God of Spinoza. This is the God of Harmony. He said we are like children entering a huge library for the first time, not knowing how to read the thousands of books that are beyond our understanding. Many scientists, therefore, might say that they believe in a God of harmony. For example, scientists believe in a Big Bang that started the universe. But then we have to ask what happened before the Big Bang. Then we have to ask where the laws of physics came from. Personally, I think that the laws of physics are the only ones possible, that all other laws are mathematically inconsistent. Thus, God probably had no choice in creating the universe, as Einstein believed."

IMO the creator is not even hiding, it doesn't even want to remain anonymous, we're just headed in the wrong direction - looking for him in thousand year old scripture full of utter nonsense.

As Michio Kaku says - "The Mind of God is Music". The whole universe is an ocean of energy vibrating to an extremely harmonious tune that resembles the harmonious resonance created by a beautiful melody. Peek out at the very distant stars at night while listening to your favourite melody - this is the mind of God, this is how the perception of life, existence and universe is created to the tune of the creator.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

""Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


  
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Message 124 of 185 (486609)
10-23-2008 5:43 AM


If i had to speculate about the purpose of our existence, it would be about becoming oneness with God. One day, if we survive to that day, and we reach our full potential(i.e. know everyhthing there is to know about the universe and our existence), we will become baby gods of our universe and maybe even escape its inevitable death by transcending into a new state of existence and becoming oneness with God.
We are still nothing but a tiny manifestation of God, one day I believe we will be ONE altogether. This, I believe, is the grand and magnificient purpose of the universe.

First RNA --> Single cell organism --> Multicellular organism --> Fish --> Reptile --> Mammal --> Ape --> Hominid --> Homo sapiens --> Superhuman(close to civilisation 3* as proposed by Michio Kaku) --> God (Oneness with God)

This is my "religion" and maybe i'll one day make it an official religion with followers who are not blinded by faith in "holy" books.

CIVILISATION 3* - http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2007/12/michio-kaku-on.html

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


  
Agobot
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Message 125 of 185 (486611)
10-23-2008 6:20 AM


This is what Stephen Hawking said about the physical laws and constants miracle(speaking on the equation that he hopes to find that describes the universe):

"Even if there is only one possible unified theory, it is just a set of rules and equations. What is it that breathes fire into the equations and makes a universe for them to describe?"
~Stephen Hawking

I hope some of the smart die-hard atheists will try and explain to him what breathes fire into those equations and become world famous.

IMO atheism is a joke, it's a belief system based on total disregard towards reality and logic.

Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 127 of 185 (486647)
10-23-2008 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Coyote
10-23-2008 11:23 AM


Re: Atheism
Coyote writes:

Atheism is not a belief system; it a non-belief system.

Atheists find insufficient evidence to believe in the various tribal idols and demons, whether they be yours or anyone else's.

What you are describing is an agnostic. An atheist believes there is no creator, you have to close your eyes and stop thinking to embrace atheism. It takes quite a dose of belief to be so sure there is no creator.

You can trump this belief system quite easily in multiple ways - an atheist can't even explain why 2+2 equals 4. Why did 2+2 equal 4 ten billion years ago? Why does it now and why will it 2 billion years from now? Why is it so all encompassing as to be valid here on Earth and valid on Alpha Centauri? What makes this possible?

Why doesn't 2+2 equal 5 from time to time? Because there would be no universe and no life, the universe is based on order and laws that can be described mathematically. Where did this law that prohibts 2+2 to equal 5 come from?

Ask an atheist. They live in a dream land, maybe they'll come up with a fancy answer.

"2+2=4" this is the universe that obeys the laws of the creator.


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 129 of 185 (486653)
10-23-2008 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Coyote
10-23-2008 12:15 PM


Re: Atheism
Coyote writes:

Nonsense.

It hurts your feelings but the universe's existence is based on laws and rules and they can be described logically(there is inherent intellect that we can understand). This made Einstein say:

"The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it's comprehensible"

BTW nonsense is the belief in miracles as well as the belief that your interpretation of the current scientific level of knowledge states that there is no god.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 137 of 185 (486708)
10-23-2008 8:14 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by onifre
10-23-2008 4:50 PM


Re: Atheism
Hi onifre,

I tend to agree with you, it seems atheism was set up primarily to counter religious dogma of the scripture, which is not prevalent in this new cosmic religion Einstein talked about.
BTW, if we survive for long enough we are destined to become semi-gods, it's inevitable. However, it's disgusting to see people claim science tells them there is no creator/god when just 140 years ago their relatives had no electricity and were riding horses and carts. Science this, science that... and here comes the grand conclusion - there is no creator and it's supposedly backed up by science. People seem to think they are already gods, masters of their own fate... if only they knew how very little depends on them in this uncontrolable infinite chain of events that they call reality and life. It's plain stupid to look around and declare - "there is no creator, i don't find evidence".
Anyway, one day the border between what we consider god and what we'll have become will be minimal(if we survive that long). We are destined to rise to a god-like immortal status, if we cannot do that, we don't belong here and will perish like 99% of the other creatures that roamed the earth. The intellect that we have that matches closely the inherent intellect behind the structure and workings of the universe makes me believe our way of reasoning is right. If we can understand the universe, we will be the new gods. Who knows, maybe one day we'll get to meet and understand that elusive force that drives everything in such harmony for almost 14 billion years.
Just give it enough time and see the energy of the singularity turn to god. What a magnificient plan if this is all it's about.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 138 of 185 (486713)
10-23-2008 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 135 by 1.61803
10-23-2008 3:46 PM


Re: Atheism
1.61803 writes:

Virtual particles appearing and the disappearing from a vaccum constitute "something from nothing." There is nothing, and then something. Is it created? Or does it happen because empty space is not really empty after all?

yes, there is no true vacuum but what does it have to do with the all-encompassing all-compelling 2+2=4?

2+2=5 is nonsense, and yet theist expect others to believe that 1+1+1=1 and not the sum of 3. They call this The Trinity. Show me a universe where 1+1+1=1 and I will show you a unverse where 2+2=5.

Scripture is BS but if that 1+1+1=1 is Jesus becoming one with God, think about the energy of the singularity. It has become 20 billion people so far, of which 6.65bln. are alive. It can become anything and then it's still one. Just give it time and it may one day become god.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Agobot
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Message 140 of 185 (486758)
10-24-2008 11:04 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by 1.61803
10-24-2008 10:18 AM


Re: Atheism
1.61803 writes:

Nothing. Just as 2+2=4 has nothing to do with created laws of the universe. It is humanity that assigns significance, and lables how the universe manifest reality. If the Earth were inhabited by cockroaches or bacteria as the most intelligent creatures the concept of 2+2=4 would still apply and yet most likely cockroaches would not be doing addition. The physical laws of the universe are what they are because if it where any other way then that would be the status quo.

This is ultimately wrong. Our intelligence is a reflection of the inherent intelligence of the universe. We don't invent intelligence, we discover it. Like Faraday discovered that moving a magnet over a metal wire induces electrons in the wire, so is every other discovery mankind has ever made. I can't stress it enough, we don't invent, we DISCOVER that certain things are possible, that they had existed from the beginning of the universe(like electricity that mankind hadn't previously been aware of). All we are doing is discover those possibilities and "features" of matter. Everything we "invent" is a characteristic of the properties of the universe, that allow it to be what it is - atomic power/bomb, electromagnetic waves transmission(TV, Radio, etc.), telescopes, microscopes, etc...
All these were possible because of the inherent characteristic of matter, they are what they are whether we are here or not, but they are our OUR TRUE LIMIT of intelligence and development. This is the only thing that might hinder us from becoming gods, the inherent intelligence of the universe. If we reach a level where no new discoveries are possible although we've understood the universe, and we are still not close to being able to transcend our existence into a new timeless immaterial form, then that will be the limit. We aill not become gods.

1.61803 writes:

In other words, reality exist because 'it' does. Not because it must. Existance is the status quo because it is. And if it where not, then there would be nothing to comptemplate the 'why' we are here. Energy has for whatever reason, or no reason has become sentient in the form of human conciousness.

This doesn't even begin to make sense. What is this meaningless statement supposed to mean - "reality exist because 'it' does". A 3-grader might fall for that, but i don't see anyone that young here.
Do you have ANY REMOTE idea what kind of intelligence is needed to make something like the universe from + and -? The intelligence necessary is not mind-boggling, it's completely and totally earth-shattering. We are still cavemen looking to piece together 1/1000th of a percent of the inherent intelligence behind the workings of the universe and the emergence of life. You have absolutely no idea what kind of intelligence we are dealing with. It's like jellyfish to the intelligence of Stephen Hawking, where our intelligence is the intelligence of the jellyfish and Stephen Hawking is the intelligence that created the universe through physical laws and energy.

1.61803 writes:

Scripture is BS but if that 1+1+1=1 is Jesus becoming one with God, think about the energy of the singularity. It has become 20 billion people so far, of which 6.65bln. are alive. It can become anything and then it's still one. Just give it time and it may one day become god.

1.61803 writes:

Well I do not agree that scripture is BS. It is actually does have some good knowlege and messages contained within it. Even if not factual still contains some truth.
As far as Jesus becoming one with God is concerned was a matter hotly debated during the council of Nice. The cardinals finally concluded that Jesus is one with the Father and same substance. This I suspect was to quell the notion of 3 separate entitys which smacked of Paganism to the Church. The Big Bang giving rise to the cosmos and eventually humans is a mystery. Even if someday humanity gleens the answer of how it happened the question of why will always persist. The harden atheist will be content to say there is no why. The agnostic will say there may be a why, and the faithful will say God is the why. It is only when people claim to have the one and only answer does the argument commence in my opinion

When and if one day you manage to grasp what kind of intelligence, what kind of laws(many thousands) stand behind the billions of years of existense of the universe, you might start to make sense.

Let me give you hand - the whole universe is based on a simple law. It states that opposite charges attract and like charges repel. There is no answer why this law states what it does, but this law is all-universe encompassing and all universe- compelling and it makes the existence of the universe and life possible. This is the Universe, this what it's based on. This what makes possible your existence, your love toward your wife, your everything - even your death. The law that opposite charges attract and like charges repel is what you call universe, world, existence, emotions, love, joy, etc. absolutely anything and everything you will ever see or feel through what you call life. This is the universe --> it's + and -. It takes incredible amount of intelligence to create laws that work(unlike us that we're just discovering them), but rest assured, one day it will be us who will be creating the laws.

I am not writing this for you especially, but to the general public out there. I have no illusions that your religious belief in atheism can be destroyed by logic or reason.

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"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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Message 141 of 185 (486767)
10-24-2008 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 139 by 1.61803
10-24-2008 10:18 AM


Re: Atheism
If the idea of us becoming god seems to radical for you, think about what we were 2 billion years ago(a bacteria), then think what we were 500 000 years ago(a dumb ape climbing trees), then look what we are now - sending robots to Mars. It's radical, right? But it's a fact. It's inevitable - follow the great path of humanity for the last 2 billion years and you'll see that it's inevitable - we are heading to becoming Gods. Let's hope our inherent human stupidity does not stumble us along the way.


"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - A.Einstein

"I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - This is a somewhat new kind of religion" - Albert Einstein

"Matter is nothing but the harmonies created by this vibrating string..The laws of physics can be compared to the laws of harmony allowed on the string. The universe itself, composed of countless vibrating strings, would then be comparable to a symphony." - Michio Kaku


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