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Author Topic:   ID and the bias inherent in human nature
Philip
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Message 88 of 105 (209135)
05-17-2005 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by EZscience
05-17-2005 5:40 PM


Re: Hatred of Religion ?
"I think most evolutionary biologists, like myself, are quite dispassionate about religion"
174 thoughtful posts (in one month) like yours seems extremely passionate, albeit, toward the ToE. (And yet (curiously) all the mega-ToE out there seems really just another religion to lean on)
Granted, I am extremely emotional and heated up, too (like yourself).
That is to say, I'm not the only one in denial.
Again, that your religious faith is tied strongly to empirical events still seems like passionate religion to me.
And what difference is there really between the physical and metaphysical. You have an evolutionary handle on matter and energy, quantum realities, etc? Are not quantum realities practically metaphysical?
What say you?

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Philip
Member (Idle past 4748 days)
Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
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Message 98 of 105 (209346)
05-18-2005 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by EZscience
05-17-2005 10:20 PM


Re: Passion for science = religion ?
"Besides, I can type fast"
It takes me awhile and I have to edit and re-write things, alot. I wrote one post to RASD that took about 4 passionate hours of my time to just cough up a few fairly coherent sentences ...(of course he hand-waved me with a few STRAWMAN-like responses that probably took 2 minutes, tops). Yet, I do appreciate your restrained, thoughtful, and coherent replies.
I think you hit well by attempting to divide camps into philosophy vs. science. But I'll still passionately stutter that quantum theory, i.e., that it seems more and more metaphysical the deeper and smaller you go.
ONE QUESTION: How microscopic (in the ultimate quantum reality of matter and energy) must one go before calling it religion vs. science?
(Of course one might ask the opposite: How macroscopic (in the cosmic reality of matter and energy) must one go before calling it religion vs. science?)

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Philip
Member (Idle past 4748 days)
Posts: 656
From: Albertville, AL, USA
Joined: 03-10-2002


Message 103 of 105 (209475)
05-18-2005 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by Limbo
05-17-2005 9:58 PM


Re: Hatred of Religion ?
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Limbo states:
Dont bother with a line of reseach into the appearance of design, simply slap in the word "natural", emphasise it, and PRESTO! Mystery solved. An interpretation consistant with Darwin. No fuss, no muss, no rocking the boat, no being labeled a 'pseudo-scientist', their career is safe, and the status quo goes on...and on...and on.
The Human brain screams design.
Now, it may be that a "natural" explanation is at heart. That is beside the point. The point is objectivity isnt there.
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Your words are forcible (notwithstanding a few typos). Unfortunately, we proto-mega-evolutionists do currently act as if the world were naturally flat. We hand-wave away the gaps by calling them missing information. We refuse to look beyond anything materialistic in quantum phenomenon, albeit, we think we know what quarks are.
IDists seem to perceive that a rounder and bigger picture truly exists concerning the earth and its metaphysical inhabitants, despite the necessary metaphysics implied in ID.
IDists are not so passionately involved in being dispassionate about science (despite some of us evos here with 5000 or so heated posts).
Refute me if you’d like, I’ll try to remain dispassionate.

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