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Message 1 of 194 (601822)
01-24-2011 1:48 PM


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Is there any evidence or demonstration with ascertained truth of the facts on why it would have been impossible for Humans to have reached a population of 1 million persons in less than 20 thousand years, when the population was 10,000?

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70 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10,000 inhabitants
50 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 million inhabitants
40 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?
35 thousand years ago . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ?

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If Humans lived on Earth 100 thousand years ago then which factors would have impeded the population to grow from 10,000 to 1 million inhabitants during a single season of 20 thousand years?

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The real fact is that regardless of disease, natural disasters, wars and famine, human population has never stopped growing. History proves that Humans are able to impede animal growth but never their own.

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That there were no Humans living on the Earth 70 thousand years ago is evident because of the fact that all things the Humans have done to the place called Earth during a single cluster of 7 thousand years, or when the population of the Earth was 1 million persons, they would have done the same thing anyway during any of the three seasons of 14 thousand years that immediately precede the recent 7 thousand years.

Disconnection of time and place can be seen from the incompatibility between the consequences of having Humans on the Earth for a time no longer than 14 thousand years and the time proposed for their multiplication by the natural selection theory for the origin of the Human body.


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Message 23 of 194 (602153)
01-26-2011 3:35 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Coyote
01-24-2011 9:25 PM


Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
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Coyote writes:

... that fully modern humans were around 30,000

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Older versions of Prototypes are always made first and evaluated for a time
before a new product of advanced technology can be produced in pairs.

If you had the advanced technology for the production of a different kind of Human beings,

Would not the first pairs produced be prototypes designed and
made for temporary evaluation until you come up with the more perfect ones ?

quote:

From the writing entitled Population growth over the hills and far away,

If you are a designer who worked on the branch of engineering for the production of a new kind of Humans,
After so long a time a more perfect kind of Humans will find skeletons of the older versions,
and some of them will come up with a theory; that a skeleton of the older version of Human prototypes, which you had designed and made a long ago for temporary evaluation, would definitely be their ancestor!


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Mellow is the man who knows the dreams he's been mislead from,

Many many men can't see the road is open to new insights

'Many' is a word (that is *name of whom) only leaves you guessin' - (* Legion; to be many)

Guessin’ bout a thing one really ought not to prejudge; you really ought to know.

Many teachings are a camouflaged word named theory; that only leaves you guessin'


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Message 25 of 194 (602338)
01-27-2011 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Jon
01-26-2011 4:47 PM


Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
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Jon writes:

Were this the case, however, wouldn't the resulting situation of left-behind prototypes be a situation indistinguishable from what would result from ancestry?

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Of course, they would (be indistinguishable)

There’s a way one ascertain and know that a human skeleton dated from 30,000 years ago pertained to a human prototype and has nothing to do with ancestry,

One ascertains this knowledge from the existence of permanent non-miscegenation on the Earth during the precise time when each distinct ethnic group came to exist;

1. The fact that every distinct pattern of ethnic group corresponds to a precise area and to a defined land from all over the lands and regions of the Earth,
2. clears up that the ethnic groups living in their respective land did not come to exist on the Earth all by themselves,
3. that is, they were settled to live in their land, (a fact that was highlighted twice in the books of the Ancients);

because, under other circumstances 55 dispersions of ethnic groups in Europe would not come to exist; there would be miscegenation even before they could become ethnic groups.

All of non-Russian Europe fits into the map of Brazil where miscegenation occurs.

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Mellow is the man who knows the dreams he's been mislead from,

Many many men can't see the road is open to new insights

'Many' is a word (that is *name of whom) only leaves you guessin' - (* Legion; to be many)

Guessin’ bout a thing one really ought not to prejudge; you really ought to know.

Many teachings are a camouflaged word named theory; that only leaves you guessin'


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Message 29 of 194 (602418)
01-28-2011 10:47 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by Jon
01-27-2011 10:33 PM


Distinction between human prototypes and ancestor
Jon writes:

..evidence we can actually understand

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It's understandable and it's clear now, the only possibility that the 55 dispersions of ethnic groups in Europe came into existence, as linguistic ethnic groups, is that they were previously selected and settled in their respective land, (in their respective area in Europe);

For, under other circumstances, a miscegenation would have taken place (if the ancient people, in Europe, were all by themselves as the natural selection theory has proposed),

And they would not have come to exist as different ethnic groups, not even as linguistic ethnic groups.

Now it's clear,
If the 55 dispersions of ethnic groups had not been previously selected and settled in the land
and if their selection would have taken place all by themselves,

there wouldn't be ethnic groups in Europe; they would be one miscegenated people.

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There’s a way one ascertain and know that a human skeleton dated from 30,000 years ago pertained to a human prototype and has nothing to do with ancestry,

One ascertains this knowledge from the existence of permanent non-miscegenation on the Earth during the precise time when each distinct ethnic group came to exist;

1. The fact that every ethnic group corresponds to a precise area and to a defined land from all over the lands and regions of the Earth,
2. clears up that the ethnic groups living in their respective land did not come to exist on the Earth all by themselves,
3. that is, they were settled to live in their land, (a fact that was highlighted twice in the books of the Ancients);

because, under other circumstances, 55 dispersions of ethnic groups in Europe would not come to exist; there would be miscegenation even before they could become ethnic groups.

All of non-Russian Europe fits into the map of Brazil where miscegenation occurs.


Europe is not so big; people take a walk and then they are spread all over the lands and far away

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Mellow is the man who knows the dreams he's been mislead from,

Many many men can't see the road is open to new insights

'Many' is a word (that is *name of whom) only leaves you guessin' - (* Legion; to be many)

Guessin’ bout a thing one really ought not to prejudge; you really ought to know.

Many teachings are a camouflaged word named theory; that only leaves you guessin'


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Message 44 of 194 (602749)
01-31-2011 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Taq
01-24-2011 11:40 PM


Only stable families constitute a stable society
Taq writes:


This development starts quite slow, and is dependent on random inventions along the way to keep things moving.
..you need a stable society that requires thousands of years of developing cultivars

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Wasps always had a perfect nervous system and a brain ready to do only what's best;
and it does not require a stable society; a single wasp builds a house with plenty food for the new one(s) to come,
and when the new wasp is ready it does not ask 'who has built this house; who prepared this meal for me?'

Even so, when Earth's population was 10,000 a single family did not require a stable society

In those days, from all ethnic groups in Europe, there was always (at least) 1,000 inhabitants or more who were stable enough to only do what is best for their children.

Many times people have gazed and lied, instead of wonder how much there is to know; there are other things to see along the open road; it isn't just evolution and/or creation.

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Creationism and their scribes state that the Earth would have been made by a deity, a god or elohiym.

However,
In the re-editions that were made for the Hebrew bible and precisely in the first five books, evidences are found that whenever the generic term for deities, elohiym, appears in reference to the living Word, it appears in places where the texts were re-edited not by Mosheh but by the pen of the scribes.

Because Mosheh, when writing about his deeds, does not do it using the third person of the singular saying ‘he did’. The clues indicate that in the original manuscripts, written by the pen of Mosheh, he speaks about his deeds using the first person of the singular, ‘I did’.




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Message 46 of 194 (603012)
02-02-2011 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Taq
02-01-2011 4:32 PM


Re: Only stable families constitute a stable society
Taq writes:

So how did they innoculate their children against diptheria?

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If diphtheria had caused a big problem in those days then at least 90% percent of the Ethnic groups in Europe would have disappeared; however that is not what reality tells us.

Up to the present time no evidence demonstrated from real facts was presented on why it would have been impossible for Humans to have reached a population of 1 million persons in less than 20 thousand years, when the population was 10,000

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Message 48 of 194 (603035)
02-02-2011 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by Taq
02-02-2011 11:01 AM


Re: Only stable families constitute a stable society
Taq writes:

however that is not what reality tells us.

Every one of your posts is made up from whole cloth.

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That is another reason why you should come up with something better.

Especially because whoever brings up a theory (that places human beings living on the Earth 70 thousand years ago) should be able to explain it regardless of other persons words

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Message 51 of 194 (603056)
02-02-2011 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Taq
02-02-2011 12:43 PM


If their population ever stopped growing ....
Taq writes:

You have not demonstrated this fact.

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In regards to the Ethnic groups in Europe, if their population would have ever stopped growing then it could also be true that their growth is very dependent on technological advances;

However, there is a huge flaw that many don't want to see; Consider that most of our current technological advances have ocurred within the last 200 years,

one could even go back to the last 1,000 years and it would still prove that the natural selection theory (in regards to the origin of this most recent version of Human beings) is incorrect.

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Message 54 of 194 (603064)
02-02-2011 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Coyote
02-02-2011 2:33 PM


Re: If their population ever stopped growing ....
Coyote writes:

Consider that most of our current technological advances have ocurred within the last 200 years

But some of the most important ones occurred much earlier

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That is another reason why the technology subject is now obsolete to offer any answer of value to the O.P.,

knowing that the left behind prototypes has nothing to do with ancestry

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Message 56 of 194 (603070)
02-02-2011 3:51 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Taq
02-02-2011 3:12 PM


What differentiates human prototypes from alleged ancestry
Taq writes:

knowing that the left behind prototypes has nothing to do with ancestry

How do we know that?

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That a skeleton of left behind prototypes, dated at 30,000 years, has nothing to do with ancestry is evident; Were they placed on the Earth to constitute families, there would be found bodies of at least 2 families in a certain place,

because humans tend to gather the dead bodies of their parents or children not too far from one another.

The search engine does often bring up cemeteries dated at about 4,000 or 5,000, but not at 30 or 40,000

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Message 58 of 194 (603075)
02-02-2011 4:14 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Taq
02-02-2011 4:07 PM


Re: What differentiates human prototypes from alleged ancestry
Taq writes:

That a skeleton of left behind prototypes, dated at 30,000 years, has nothing to do with ancestry is evident; Were they placed on the Earth to constitute families, there would be found bodies of at least 2 families in a certain place,

How do you determine if two bodies are from two families?

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The rest of the sentence clears up that it's a tendency;
not a determined thing.

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Message 63 of 194 (603207)
02-03-2011 11:22 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Taq
02-02-2011 5:10 PM


Re: What differentiates human prototypes from alleged ancestry
Taq writes:

all we have ..unevidenced assertion that 30,000 year old humans are not our ancestors.

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Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child.

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And this is what differentiates the proof that you do not have from a Real proof: A Real proof will be the same as the above found twice.

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Contrary to expectations, history has demonstrated that there's no reason why it would have been impossible for Humans to have reached a population of 1 million persons in less than 20 thousand years, when the population was 10,000

that is, there's no reason except the reputation of many Universities and the financial comfort of many jobs, sponsorships and books containing what is believed by many men in regards to the origin of the Human body.

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Message 65 of 194 (603222)
02-03-2011 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by Taq
02-03-2011 11:39 AM


Re: What differentiates human prototypes from alleged ancestry
Taq writes:

Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child.

CONCLUSIONS/SIGNIFICANCE: .... a genealogical continuity ....

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Anyone's genetic combination might be a genealogical continuity of whoever it will be; and that is very different from a paternity test.

A simple paternity test is all that the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) needs to prove that it's correct. Other than that, it will be just another brick in the wall of believed things that becomes an obstacle for many 'many men' not see the open road

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Message 67 of 194 (603267)
02-03-2011 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Taq
02-03-2011 1:06 PM


Re: What differentiates human prototypes from alleged ancestry
Taq writes:

Anyone's genetic combination might be a genealogical continuity of whoever it will be; and that is very different from a paternity test.

.. DNA sequencing is a paternity test, and it demonstrates that the population of modern humans 30,000 years ago are the ancestors of modern Europeans

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Let's not turn it into a Mexican drama nor search for a horn on a horse's head

quote:

Proof of ancestry grounded in reality was not presented, for example, 2 skeletons; father and son or mother and her child.

And this is what differentiates the proof that you do not have from a Real proof: A Real proof will be the same as the above found twice.


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Message 69 of 194 (603439)
02-04-2011 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Taq
02-03-2011 4:20 PM


Re: What differentiates human prototypes from alleged ancestry
Taq writes:

This shows a DISCONTINUITY between neanderthals and modern humans.

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Indeed, Cro-Magnon is not a descendent of Neandertal. After seeing a discontinuity of the dna sequence then the title given by science, 'Neandertal our ancestor' has been gradually changed to 'Neandertal our closest extinct relatives',

because of the belief that a different genealogical continuity would still be evidence of evolution
regardless of the fact that no evidence was found that a skeleton of human prototype dated at 30,000 would have had a son or daughter;

If the human body was not made by intelligent designer then there is no justice other than that of the world,

However, inside a Court house, even justice of this world does not apply belief to the most current and trivial things;

Instead, the justice only says that a person had descendants when evidence is found that there was a son or a daughter.

Let's get rid of the BELIEVING!

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