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celestialGyoud
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 Message 181 of 194 (655346) 03-09-2012 4:59 PM Reply to: Message 177 by RAZD03-08-2012 7:17 PM

Re: THE FINALS CAN BE CHANGED – and they still indicate global termination
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RAZD, if you have a time, please bring up any sample of multiplication rate,
whether from your works or from documents provided by the official demographic institutes.
so that you can disprove with evidence the multiplication rate that you said is not valid

quote:

The fishermen final production can be changed every season of the year

but their population increase can't be stopped every thousand years

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 Message 182 of 194 (655350) 03-09-2012 5:16 PM Reply to: Message 178 by Percy03-09-2012 8:13 AM

DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEM – the three intervals anomaly
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Percy, the basic numbers were brought up from message 157 as the re-edited fragment clears up.

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The following multiplication rates are based on numbers that were brought up in message 157 and would be matching with the Evolution theory for the origin of the Human body

Sample of Official demographic numbers and solely one of the real evidences on how the Human populations increase:

| 43: 1,000,000
| 410: 1,500,000
| 865: 1,500,000
| 1000: 1,500,000
| 1348: 3,500,000
| 1350: 2,250,000
| 1642: 6,000,000
| 1649: 5,700,000
| 1801: 10,942,646
| 1851: 27,368,736
| 1911: 45,221,615

Source: Institute of Historical Research, of the University of London.

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When you look at the evidences of the real world – that is, specifically the demographic documents with completeness and fullness of reality: documents legitimated by the official demographic institutes from any European country, – the result is that it's not possible for one to find anything that comes close to the multiplication rate population x 10 - 90 % per every thousand years with a short 150 years interval for multiplication.

Much less with a constant intermittency, global termination occuring with regularity every 5,000 years interval along a timeline of 55,000 thousand years.

The fact that the multiplication rate, population x 10 - 90 % per every thousand years, equates to a short 150 years interval for multiplication, neither fits into the reality of the Earth's consistency nor expresses the Human nature and behavior in regards to their children since it equates to annihilation on a global scale happening incessantly.

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| 55 thousand years ago: 2,000 x 10 = 20,000 - 90 % = 2,000 persons
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| 50 thousand years ago: 1,700 x 10 = 17,000 - 90 % = 1,700 persons
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| 45 thousand years ago: 2,500 x 10 = 25,000 - 90 % = 2,500 persons
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| 40 thousand years ago: 3,500 x 10 = 35,000- 90 % = 3,500 persons
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| 35 thousand years ago: 5,000 x 10 = 50,000 - 90 % = 5,000 persons

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The finals (the totals) can be changed and they still indicate global termination occurring from a thousand years to another.

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♯ ♯ ♯ – Anomaly has been found – The number of children would always be the same from the beginning to the end of every 3,000 year interval which equates to the time that the families would not multiply. The time that the families would multiply on a regular basis equates to a timeline of 150 years, and corresponds to a second interval. Both timeline intervals can be seen every 5,000 years along a timeframe of 55,000 years.

See through this point of view: 3,000 years interval + 150 years, in every 5,000 years, still leaves a third interval of 1,850 years.

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_____p x 10 - 90 % interval______________multiplication rate__________remaining interval____
|_________3,000 years____________|_regular basis: 150 years___|______1,850 years________|

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________________________ 5,000 years Timeline _____________________________________________
|_______________________________________________________________________________________|

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______________ Average of years without multiplying: 4,850 years per every 5,000 years

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That's why the problem is not a question of a constant decrease caused by a variety of factors.

The problem is that the difference between these three intervals:

3,000 years, 150 and 1,850 years,

occurring simultaneously, every 5,000 years timeline, is a difference which is indicating that their multiplication timeline (which corresponds to 150 years in a regular basis) is not enough time for them to increase so that their population could have a decrease in that same measure.

The anomaly is the impossibility of decreasing more than the measure that their population would have increased.

When seeing from the three intervals a difference that equates to an average of 4,850 years without multiplying to increase, observation shows that the remaining timeline of 150 years which equates to the time of their multiplication on a regular basis, would never be enough time for them to increase a population growth that could be compatible with the 4,850 years interval in which they would not multiply (on a regular basis) and their population would decrease.

On this, when verifying for consistency of the natural selection theory (for the origin of the Human body) the results are known and ascertained from seeing a lack of consistency in the multiplication rate.

Therefore these results can only be disproved by the presentation of new results that can show that their multiplication rate was consistent and that no disconnection is found between the regular basis that the Humans do multiply and the time that the Evolution theory has proposed for their multiplication.

'THE FINALS CAN BE CHANGED' means that the order of the totals does not change the Time average that equates to their multiplicaton rate: 150 years per every 5,000 years, based on the numbers proposed for their multiplication by the Evolution theory for the origin of the Human body,

The totals can be changed and it would still not avoid the anomaly of decreasing always more than increasing.

One might verify and know, from the multiplication rate of the population growth model presented by the Evolution theory, that they could never have increased enough so that their population decreases could have happened in the measure that corresponds to a 4,850 years interval per every 5,000 years.

Because Humans do multiply according to a regular basis which was not taken into consideration when the time proposed for their multiplication had been given by the Evolution theory.

The diagnosis was completed and the anomaly can't be reversed.

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 Message 183 of 194 (655364) 03-09-2012 6:56 PM Reply to: Message 182 by celestialGyoud03-09-2012 5:16 PM

Re: DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEM – the three intervals anomaly
Blue text on a dark blue background.

You would have to be crazy to think that colour scheme was a good idea.

If I were you
And I wish that I were you
All the things I'd do
To make myself turn blue

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 Message 184 of 194 (655495) 03-10-2012 8:09 PM Reply to: Message 181 by celestialGyoud03-09-2012 4:59 PM

the evidence is population data - not mathematical models
Hi again CrazyDiamond7,

 RAZD, if you have a time, please bring up any sample of multiplication rate,whether from your ealy works or from documents provided by the official demographic institutes.so that you can disprove with evidence the multiplication rate that you said is not valid

Multiplication rates are mathematical models not evidence. They are hypothetical AT BEST, and can easily be wild guesses.

What disproves your model is the harsh evidence of reality: the actual population data from past years.

If you don't understand this, then further discussion is pointless.

Enjoy.

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celestialGyoud
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 Message 185 of 194 (655691) 03-12-2012 5:50 PM Reply to: Message 184 by RAZD03-10-2012 8:09 PM

The Flood story only works as a parable. — Things are not as they seem to be
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 RAZD writes:Multiplication rates are mathematical models not evidence. .. evidence of reality: the actual population data from past years. the actual population data from past years. If you don't understand this ..

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One might understand and verify that every population data from past years does show a multiplication rate whenever these datas are connected from a point to another, e.g. from 55,000 years ago [ 2,000 people ] to 35,000 years ago [ 5,000 people ].

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If you bring up to the front any evidence of reality: the actual population data from past years then you'll be bringing, undirectly, a multiplication rate which is a part of that same evidence because of the connection from a point to another.

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Quoted from: non-published translations of SPOTLIGHT,

From those who take the road on their way to the conference about the Flood,
Reverend Will won't make it in time if it keeps on raining by the east side.

You perhaps will have to start the debate without him.

The point is that the Ark of Noah's story never happened. The whole subject that you read in the bible about Noah's Ark is a story that only works as a Parable of the Miserability.

Is there anyone of you that being rich, powerful and owner of a variety of new ships, would ever say this to a best friend and his family:

'In order for me to give you a drop to the next unflooded city I can't let you enter in one of my ships, so you better start to build a boat.'

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That is what many ministers, reverends and pastors do to anyone that treat them as alleged authorities anointed from above. They are rich, they ask for you to give them your resources, work and money and at the same time, they don't give anyone a drop to the next unflooded city.

They travel in a big jet plane but they don't share the riches that were bought with the people's money. They don't recognize that whoever gives money to a church automatically have rights of equality over 50% of the respective amount in case the person who gave the resource is found in lack of food, remedy, clothes and shelter.

Whoever gives money to a church still has two more rights. The right of transparency over the financial movement of the respective church and the right of devolution of 100% of all that was given in case a person writes a destitution letter declaring that it was not possible to preview that his[her] tenths of salary and his[her] offerings would have been left in the wrong place. They don't really share water, electric light, comfort and shelter with people of the church that support them.

If you had made the world; Why would you justify yourself and tell a man to write in a book that you have had regrets for having made the world because things didn't come up as you thought it woud be .. and for that reason you would have decided to get rid of it, when you know that it would be so much easier to cause the wicked ones to disappear by erasing their memories from their brain ?

Things are not as they seem to be. See the story of Isaac's sacrifice for example. It only works as a Parable of the Hipocrisy. Because, If a person already knows the thoughts and knows the end from the beginning then why would that person make a Hipocrite statement and tell Abraham this: 'I had to test your loyalty .. to know if you would love me above all things ..'

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The bible was left to you for different reasons. One of them is that some contents are solely parables that were made specifically to intrigue you so that you might start thinking by your own head. At that moment, those who were at the Conference said:

- If these things were kept hidden in order for us to start thinking by ourselves then why do we need a reverend in the first place ?

- Hmmmm .. .. I don't know why.

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Brief Summarized Signature

This Laconic unusual inscription might change the ritualistical monotonous way that the signatures have been summarized in these days.
As the official master of non–ceremonious solemnity I’d like to thank you, beforehand, for your possible acceptance of the highly recommended anti-religion procedures of not taking as true what so ever it is believed that the truth is supposed to be, – since the term ‘take as (alike; as if it was)’ means that a comparison is made to a truth that is not known by believing --,as well as renouncing the fides quae creditur (faiths that are credited by the spirits of men, believers and potentates from down). Also I would like to thank for your patience and perseverance on reading and I hope these explanations will not sound too ceremonious to you.

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 Message 186 of 194 (655701) 03-12-2012 6:46 PM Reply to: Message 185 by celestialGyoud03-12-2012 5:50 PM

Re: The Flood story only works as a parable. — Things are not as they seem to be
 CrazyDiamond7 writes:One might understand and verify that every population data from past years does show a multiplication rate...

But not a constant multiplication rate. From actual population data over time you can calculate the rate of population increase for any period, but different time periods will have different rates, and in the absence of population data you can only guestimate. Your population projections are based upon guesses rather than data and so have little or no value.

--Percy

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celestialGyoud
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 Message 187 of 194 (655811) 03-13-2012 5:01 PM Reply to: Message 183 by Panda03-09-2012 6:56 PM

Re: DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEM – the three intervals anomaly
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 panda writes: crazy to think that colour scheme was a good idea.

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The color scheme was re-edited as you requested.
Royalblue color has a shade of bright which becomes highlighted on a dark background.

If pandas were more Humans than they often are, would they have such a high society charming style of being worried with colors when the entire chronological basis of the Evolution theory [ in regards to the origin of the Human body ] is falling apart, perhaps literally sinking ?

The charm of having class above all circumstances might be a natural property of the Human pandas. An example that is left on how nature always finds her own charming ways to teach the other Human varieties of pandas

that the importance is having class.

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 Message 188 of 194 (655848) 03-14-2012 6:01 AM Reply to: Message 187 by celestialGyoud03-13-2012 5:01 PM

Re: DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEM ï¿½ the three intervals anomaly
 If pandas were more Humans than they often are, would they have such a high society charming style of being worried with colors when the entire chronological basis of the Evolution theory [ in regards to the origin of the Human body ] is falling apart, perhaps literally sinking ?

I'm not sure how many more ways to try and explain this.

You say that, taking two points in history and looking at the population, there is always a 'multiplication rate' between the two.

If, by this, you mean that population has always increased between two points, this is clearly not true.

Sometimes, the population has decreased between two points.

Sometimes, it has remained static.

You keep demanding us to invent models of population growth. Here's an invented model which could explain the fact that the population of Britain didn't change significantly during the medieval period:

Each pair of breeding adults has, on average, six offspring.

On average, three of these die as children. Of those who survive, again on average, one doesn't have any children due to dying, or being sterlie, or horrendously unnatractive, or joining a nunnery, or whatever other reason you'd like.

This produces a population growth rate of 0. Problem solved.

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 Message 189 of 194 (655874) 03-14-2012 10:17 AM Reply to: Message 187 by celestialGyoud03-13-2012 5:01 PM

???
 CD7 writes:An example that is left on how nature always finds her own charming ways to teach the other Human varieties of pandas.

Shine on, dude.

NoNukes..

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 Message 190 of 194 (655902) 03-14-2012 1:41 PM Reply to: Message 187 by celestialGyoud03-13-2012 5:01 PM

Re: DIAGNOSING THE PROBLEM – the three intervals anomaly
Change your translation software - it does not work properly.

Perhaps post in your native tongue so that we can attempt to translate it ourselves?

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 Message 191 of 194 (655908) 03-14-2012 6:05 PM

EVOLUTION VERSUS EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT
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You came from the light, from the place where the living light emanates from herself[ the ancient book of Tomah paraphrased ]

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In Yhwh's [glittering] living word was the life, and the life was the light of man

[ that is, the life was the light contained within the Human body ]

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The life of the Human body does not exist solely within the extension of the body itself.
The life that is the light or energy of living electricity does exist outside of the Human body, remaining in the world not solely within the boundaries of a person or of the mind but also glittering as lightning through the density of clouds of heaven.

There are other things to see along the open road. One can't stick to the first thing that shows up just because all official bible translations have been proven to be a blind leading blind causing both to fall into the disgrace of taking as true a truth that is not known by believing. There isn’t solely two options, creation and/or evolution, e.g.: what explanation do those two options provide about the Origin of the white Light that glitters as lightning through the density of the clouds ? Nothing at all.

Evidences are found that Creationism has been lost and goes into perdition since it was based on a badly revised ruined translation with a lot of holes and one of the lies it is saying is that man was created by a deity, a god or elohim (a form of baalim). The lying pen of the scribes, copists and translators from the doctorates on Modern Hebrew still makes no distinction between the common generic designation for deities, elohim [ god; oracles; abomination of the nations ] and the Hebrew word EL [ The Living Light that gives life ].

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The Definition of Being Alive

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By EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT one ascertains that being alive is not a property that emanated from the living beings themselves since their light of life [ their life energy ] can be taken or can be given by the living light in emanation.

All animals and fish were designed to evolve but they do not evolve all by themselves; It’s the life energy [ the living light that emanates ] in them that operates the power to reprogram their dna sequence. — e. g.: The living electricity that runs through the nervous system of the Human body corresponds to a time sequence which emanates not from the body itself. See the specifications of the times of impact and their sequences:

1st. phrímea — time of impact of the initial time that the living light glitters until 1 and half seconds

2nd. seqüencea — simultaneous and immediate sequence of the initial time of phrímea

3rd. términa — time of impact for termination of continuous sequence

½. mediata — time of impact for mediation between phrimea and permanêncea

lacônica — time of shortening of the light that connects knowledge and thoughts

simultânea — simultaneous and immediate sequence of a laconic time of shortening

permanêncea — permanence time of the living light that glitters not less than 7 seconds

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[ .. to be continued in another discussion .. ]

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Source: From non-published translation of SPOTLIGHT

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Edited by CrazyDiamond7, : The life of the Human body does not exist solely within the extension of the body itself.

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 Message 192 of 194 (655919) 03-14-2012 8:17 PM

Is discussion in this topic completed?
If people are done discussing the topic I can throw this thread into summation mode.

 -- Percy EvC Forum Director

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 Message 193 of 194 (655987) 03-15-2012 9:10 AM Reply to: Message 192 by Admin03-14-2012 8:17 PM

Re: Is discussion in this topic completed?
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 From Message 191[ .. to be continued in another discussion .. ]

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Hi Admin, there are some replies that needs to be posted, e.g.: to frako and to Messages 186 and 188,

There were two points to which Message 191 would have been useful:

1st. The Evolution theory was the only truth when this discussion started since Creationism is not founded on knowledge of truth but believing. [ in other words, the respective O.P. would not have been posted if there was not a third option that is EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT ]

2nd. There are evidences that the Creationism's point of view became obsolete, and for that, it was necessary to bring up a third option otherwise the only real debates on Human Origins would be occuring solely between defenders of the Evolution theory.

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Therefore, message 191 might have been useful so that you might know that there is still an option for you to consider a debate,
EVOLUTION VERSUS EMANATION OF LIVING LIGHT, in the future.

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------- Thank you

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 Message 194 of 194 (656007) 03-15-2012 1:19 PM

Starting Summation Mode Now
Given that discussion of the topic seems complete, I'm throwing this thread into summation mode.

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