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onifre
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Message 81 of 433 (602474)
01-28-2011 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by zi ko
01-26-2011 1:39 AM


Mirror neurons and empathy
They have a lot of work to do, as to search for facts about EMPATHY. I don't think can denay its existance.
They have never denied it's existence. In fact, they have found (tentitively) what many believe are neurons that were the pre-curser to empathy: mirror neurons
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A mirror neuron is a neuron that fires both when an animal acts and when the animal observes the same action performed by another. Thus, the neuron "mirrors" the behavior of the other, as though the observer were itself acting.
What this says is, if I grab something a neuron fires in my head, but also, if you grab something the same neuron fires in my head as though I were the one grabbing it. So my brain mimics and experiences what it visually observes you, or anyone else, do.
To the point of empathy: If I get bitten by a lion, a neuron fires in my head telling me a number of things from: I'm in danger, I'm in pain, I may die. The amazing thing discovered was that the same neuron fires when I observe YOU getting bitten. The difference being, neurons in my skin are also sending a signal to my brain telling it, 'don't worry, we're not being bitten.' So I don't feel your pain, but my brain does recognize it, even without any language, or communication, or having to hear you in pain. My brain registers your pain the same way it would if it happened to me.
Many like Ramachandran believe this was the earliest emergence of what later became empathy. Also it is believed that these neurons play an important role in mimicry and language acquisition.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 86 of 433 (602485)
01-28-2011 4:07 PM
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01-28-2011 3:21 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
But how many neurons are on a strand of DNA or in a gene?
Really?
How is this the question that you would ask me based on the post I wrote?
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 88 of 433 (602511)
01-28-2011 4:55 PM
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01-28-2011 4:17 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
This silly thread began with the idea that "empathy" somehow transmits genetic information from generation to generation.
Yeah, I noticed that. I was just responding to his/her notion that scientist don't know anything about empathy, as though it was a mystery to them, or that they don't even admit empathy exists. Which is, well, dumb to suggest.
I agree with the rest you posted and I can assure everyone reading this that my intentions were not to provide the mechanism to support the "theory" being proposed in this thread.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 108 of 433 (602794)
01-31-2011 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by zi ko
01-30-2011 1:24 PM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
Surely you didn't want to give me the mechanism to my "silly theory",(why, were you afraid?) but in a way you dit it.
The fucked up thing is, you know less about the mirror neurons than you do about your own theory, so you have no clue how the two could be linked, even if you wanted to link them.
Mirror neurons report to the central nervous system, and that is all. They don't, and can't, in any way, affect DNA. In fact, you don't even need the mysterious mirror neurons. You could just as easily said the eyes were the mechanism, since they work the same as mirror neurons do reporting to the CNS what they see.
But you're waving your dick around spouting out scientific terms and grasping to anything that can save you, with the hope that something will pop out of your insane theory that makes some sense. It won't though, and it's probably best if you chill for a sec. and do a bit of reading on the subjects you are trying to discuss.
Or just keep looking like an ass...either way.
- Oni

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onifre
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Message 123 of 433 (603046)
02-02-2011 1:11 PM
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02-02-2011 6:22 AM


Re: Mirror neurons and empathy
Empathy is very much related to mirror neurones. As it is a knowledge staff as well, it can have the same inpact on genome, as other experiences have.
No it can't, and that is where you continue to be wrong. It's not a maybe it can, it is a definite no it cannot.
- Oni

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