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Topic: New theory about evolution between creationism and evolution.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 102 of 433 (602725)
01-31-2011 10:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 100 by zi ko
01-31-2011 10:30 AM
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Re: Mechanism?
Could you clarify your hypothesis for me please? A female deer sees another deer getting eaten by a lion and empathises with the dying deer. She transmits this empathy to her baby deer which changes its DNA so that it can avoid lions? Or She alters her own DNA so that her future babies are better able to avoid lions? Or Something else?
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 112 of 433 (602909)
02-01-2011 4:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 111 by dwise1
02-01-2011 4:08 PM
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Re: An apology due....
dwise1 writes: ... where the frak is that music coming from?
I have just had a terrible premonition: the end is nigh - and it will make no fraking sense! And then we will find out that the Great Script Writer In The Sky was making it up as he went along, with (ironically) no plan.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 119 of 433 (603022)
02-02-2011 10:58 AM
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Reply to: Message 118 by zi ko
02-02-2011 6:24 AM
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Re: An apology due....
I have a very strong suspicion that you didn't actually read my post.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 236 of 433 (623906)
07-14-2011 12:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 234 by zi ko
07-14-2011 12:34 PM
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Re: DOUPTING IS THE BEAUTY OF SCIENCE
zi ko writes: Surely a very "bad" luck for some "believers" of dogmatic and suspicious science.
And when it is shown that the moon IS made of cheese, then we will laugh in the faces of all those stupid scientists that claimed otherwise.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 256 of 433 (626400)
07-29-2011 6:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 255 by Larni
07-28-2011 1:41 PM
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Re: "Theory" in Science
Larni writes: you could link to a YouTube clip of the magic fucking roundabout
Is that one of those 'parody porn' films? Can you provide a link?
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 294 of 433 (627382)
08-02-2011 10:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 293 by Larni
08-02-2011 8:53 AM
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Re: Empathy is a type of information
Larni writes: We've been trolled. It's the only explanation.
I think Zi Ko has failed the Turing Test.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 306 of 433 (627815)
08-04-2011 10:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 305 by zi ko
08-04-2011 10:53 AM
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Re: Are there RANDOM MUTATIONS?
zi ko writes: I n view that many times i have been misunderstood, i think i must clear up my position regarding evolution-randomness: Life can make use of randomness for its purpose, by filling a gap in its try to percervance with this mechanism, amongst others, e.g directed or semidirected mutations,derepression,engineering systems, DNA restructurion by slicing, horizontal transportation,e.c.t. Detrimental mutations prove that nature-life has not a strict predetemined line of evolution, but it is a continous try and error process in which information from environment, logical use of resources, in a frame restricted and guided by physical laws, and chance are all used. So in a broad sense randomess is not really random.
Surely there is more fun to be had doing sodoku than trying to guess what the hell you are saying. I'm going back to Frako's god machine - it knew how to punctuate correctly. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 315 of 433 (628021)
08-06-2011 8:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 314 by zi ko
08-06-2011 1:28 AM
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Re: Re:Could Empathy as a type of information affect genome?
Zi Ko writes: Do i have to prove it again that information affects genome? Others, as Shapiro ect had done it well. Empathy is atype of information.
My telephone number is also a type of information. Therefore my telephone number affects genomes. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 319 of 433 (628165)
08-07-2011 6:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 317 by zi ko
08-07-2011 4:50 AM
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Re: Re:Could Empathy as a type of information affect genome?
zi ko writes: That is illogical. Lac of food (type of information) affects genome. telefon numper is an is information and does not affect genome. So information can affect genome? The answer is: it depends on the type of information.
My telephone number is a type of information. So, it must be accepted, it can act on genome at least in the same way as other information staff idoes. Furthermore as it acts on the same senario and on the same part of genome over long periods of time, maby millions of years, i think has a more profound effect on genome. My telephone number conception is applied to multicellular organisms, where Shapiro work stops. Stop being just a follower and be a thinker.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 321 of 433 (628645)
08-11-2011 5:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 320 by zi ko
08-11-2011 5:01 PM
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Re: So not all information is sufficient, how do we tell?
zi ko writes: Theoretically all types of information are capable of affecting genome.
Hmmm...
zi ko writes: B ut in practice only information that is transferred by empathy
Nope. Not in practice. This is still in the "Theoretically" stage, as you have admitted previously.
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I have never said I have any evidence. In any case i am not qualified for this. and i don't believe it could ever be found.
You have no evidence - this means that there is no "But in practice...". Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 323 of 433 (628715)
08-12-2011 11:26 AM
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Reply to: Message 322 by zi ko
08-12-2011 10:11 AM
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Re: So not all information is sufficient, how do we tell?
zi ko writes: It is all "according to my theory"
But that is not 'in practise'. That is almost the opposite of 'in practise'. quote:
B ut in practice only information that is transferred by empathy
That is a completely unsupported assertion. That has not been shown to happen.
zi ko writes: What is your explanation of the existance and use of such hard wired mechanism and function?
I am not making claims about empathy: YOU ARE. YOU need to support YOUR claims. My claim is: quote:
My telephone number is a type of information. So, it must be accepted, it can act on genome at least in the same way as other information staff idoes.
...which has as much supporting evidence as your theory. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 328 of 433 (628892)
08-13-2011 7:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 326 by zi ko
08-13-2011 3:30 PM
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Re: So not all information is sufficient, how do we tell?
zi ko writes: I am asking to explain ,according to the current Theory, why evolution had given parts of brain to empathic information and not to your telephone number
I have never said I have any evidence. In any case i am not qualified for this. and i don't believe it could ever be found. Untill there will be any evidence that it doesn't happen ,any body can believe it could.
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 389 of 433 (657071)
03-25-2012 2:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 388 by NoNukes
03-25-2012 1:33 PM
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Re: Do random mutations have predictive value?
NoNukes writes: zi ko writes: Nature's purpose could be imposed by: 1.The existing universal laws. Not directly, because existing "universal laws" is just another abstract concept that cannot possess sentience or purpose. In fact, what we call laws are simply our observations of how the universe seems to work.
Isn't this example tautological? 'existing universal laws' is a reasonably accurate simile for 'nature'.
Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 393 of 433 (657087)
03-25-2012 5:25 PM
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Reply to: Message 391 by NoNukes
03-25-2012 2:50 PM
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Re: Do random mutations have predictive value?
NoNukes writes: If I have recited a tautology, then I don't see that recital to be a problem.
I agree with your assessment of zi ko's argument - I was simply pointing out that there was a more basic problem with his first suggestion than the one you described.
Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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Panda
Member (Idle past 3733 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: 10-04-2010
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Message 424 of 433 (659286)
04-14-2012 8:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 423 by zi ko
04-13-2012 8:04 PM
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Re: Do random mutations have predictive value?
Taq provided 'some' evidence. You provided 'no' evidence. If this was a competition then not only would Taq be winning, but you would not even have started playing yet. You can argue all you want about how much weight to give Taq's evidence, but it will always be infinitely weightier than the zero evidence you have supplied.
Tradition and heritage are all dead people's baggage. Stop carrying it!
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